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  • MarikinaMan
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 4864

    Primer ignition on my press...

    I installed a ball bearing Camming Pin on my Dillon 650XL.



    By sight, I looked at the relation and clearance of the Case Insert Slide to the Shell Plate and reinstalled it. The press cycled ok, but it was not very smooth. The Shell Plate seemed to snag. I suspected that it was dirty, the press is used, and I tried to address it by cleaning the bottom of the Shell Plate multiple times.

    Something is off, but I was reloading fine. I kept going back to the manual but couldn't find an adjustment for indexing. The press is new to me, I’d owned and loaded thousands of rounds on a 550B and a Rockchucker. This was my first time to reload 9 mm on it, and I had loaded 300 rounds of 223 successfully in early December. What is going on? Being that I had my suspicions, I checked on my eye protection and proceeded to load slowly to find the problem. Wrong decision.

    Just slightly over 100 rounds, I pulled the handle and things went south.The last cycle didnt index properly, short maybe 1-2mm and inadvertently, pinched a primer into the Shell Plate



    causing it to explode.



    At that point, I had about another 80 primers in the press, and 1/2 pound of smokeless powder a foot from my face. My reaction was....



    I ran out of my garage like a budding actress who just realized she was in a closed room with Harvey Weinstein.



    I've heard of primer magazines exploding and thought to myself sure that distance was a good thing.



    A couple of minutes later, my ears still ringing, I went back into the garage, to the press, completely unloaded it, and proceeded to cycle the machine dry. I found the problem.

    Lessons learned:

    1) The Camming Pin on the 650XL, it is timed at the factory. The manual discusses it in the caliber conversion section. When you do replace or re-sintall the pin, the operator must time it such that the Case Insert Slide will come to the shell plate as it finishes indexing, not before it. It can be installed in the opposite side of the range which will cause the malfunction I experienced. If you install incorrectly like I did, the operator will see the slide touch the plate before the indexing is finished, which causes a little friction, and the case to pop into the shell plate, not inserted. The bearing cam does not offer the same fine tuning as the original cam as it can be set only at 12 and 6 o'clock in relation to the bearing. Not a major issue though.

    2) Hearing protection is not optional.

    3) When reassembling a semi-auto press, don't try to fix a problem with live primers and smokeless powder loaded. Don't do it.



    I proceeded to load to finish off the rest of the primer tubes I'd filled. Finished with 400 rounds.

    I got off lightly. I hope this helps another reloader.
    Last edited by MarikinaMan; 01-05-2018, 9:22 AM.
  • #2
    rsrocket1
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 2768

    Buy once, cry once



    Did you buy this as a compliment to the shellplate bearing kit?

    If not, did you ask the vendor if this can be used without the shellplate bearing kit?

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    • #3
      MarikinaMan
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 4864

      Originally posted by rsrocket1
      Buy once, cry once



      Did you buy this as a compliment to the shellplate bearing kit?

      If not, did you ask the vendor if this can be used without the shellplate bearing kit?
      That doesnt even make sense on this issue, buy once cry once? The shell plate bearing kit has no relation to the camming pin and what it does.

      The problem is solved as said above. The issue was reassembly and timing the cam. I did so and checked clearance between the slide and the shell plate, this is what the manual focuses on, but I was on the opposite side of the range. The manual is not meant to address re-installation of the camming pin, hence timing issues on my part. What added to it is that I am new to the press.

      To check timing, the operator must observe the shell plate and the case insert slide and confirm they meet at the end of the indexing action.
      Last edited by MarikinaMan; 01-05-2018, 7:17 AM.

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      • #4
        JackEllis
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 2731

        I'm glad things didn't end up worse. Could have been a lot more exciting.

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        • #5
          rsrocket1
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 2768

          "Buy once, cry once" is a Dillon fanboy expression. Sorry that it went past you but if you are a regular reader of Dillon/Hornady/Lee/RCBS press discussions then you'd understand the line and my sarcasm. It's sort of like the Glock fanboys that cite the line "Perfection".

          Glad you got the issue fixed. Having a primer unexpectedly go off in front of your face can be an unnerving experience.

          The animated GIF was just a reply to your creative references.

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          • #6
            NorCalFocus
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2013
            • 3913

            And this boy's and girls is why most people don't recommend a n00b start with a progressive. OP obviously has experience already and still had a booboo.

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            • #7
              TexasJackKin
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 718

              My wife "helps" me reload often, on my Hornady LnL, feeding emptys mostly. Well, she wanted to pull the handle for awhile, and on the first pull, it slipped out of her hand, and someway that I still don't understand, a primer popped.

              And that was the end of that, she'll still feed emptys. After well over 100,000 rounds, that's the only excitement we've had with the press.
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              • #8
                MarikinaMan
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2015
                • 4864

                Originally posted by rsrocket1
                "Buy once, cry once" is a Dillon fanboy expression. Sorry that it went past you but if you are a regular reader of Dillon/Hornady/Lee/RCBS press discussions then you'd understand the line and my sarcasm. It's sort of like the Glock fanboys that cite the line "Perfection".

                Glad you got the issue fixed. Having a primer unexpectedly go off in front of your face can be an unnerving experience.

                The animated GIF was just a reply to your creative references.
                Got it!

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                • #9
                  Gryff
                  CGSSA Coordinator
                  • May 2006
                  • 12686

                  I had a primer go in badly into a 9mm case (possibly mil-surp) that detonated during the push phase of the stroke. Scared the living **** out of me.
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                  • #10
                    Lead Waster
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 16650

                    My 1050 blew up the whole primer stack. It's sadly not uncommon on 1050s because of the ratcheting mechanism and it' sort of hard to feel the primer inserting since everything happens on the downstroke (ie no seperate forward primer seating phase).

                    A primer anvil hit me squarely on the nose, and worse, I had taken my glasses off to see more clearly (old eyes). Huge lesson learned, I almost lost an eye. I never ever take my glasses off (normal or safety glasses) when reloading.

                    I was surprised my ears didn't ring for longer, it was loud, but surprisingly not deafening. However, a good pair of comfortable electronic muffs will let you listen to the radio and still protect from a primer pop.

                    I also wear work gloves when hunt-and-pecking primers to fill the primer tube.
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                    • #11
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                      • Mar 2011
                      • 4646

                      Love those visual aids.
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                      • #12
                        kcheung2
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 4387

                        It's a simple solution - OP doesn't have any advanced degrees in unrelated fields. If instead he had read a few textbook chapters on Process (yes, singular) and Waypoints or Checklists (yes, with capitalization) then he would be The Smartest Guy In The Room & understood that All Errors Are Avoidable in a mechanical system. Err sorry, Mechanical System. I mean, if he set it up so that it's a push button system then he'd be far away when that primer blew. But then again it wouldn't blow to begin with, his advanced degrees would have made sure of that.

                        Instead, OP took some reasonable precautions beforehand, learned from this & relied on his experience to fix it. Gee, the right way to do things, how boring.
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                        • #13
                          wpage
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 6071

                          Glad you made it thru OP thanks for the heads up...
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                          • #14
                            mshill
                            Veteran Member
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 4450

                            I always hand prime, When I started reloading I only had a hand primer and over the first few thousand rounds I had a couple detonate. The first one scared the stuffing out of my wife and to this day she claims I tried to shoot her. Since then I like to feel the effort it takes to seat a primer. If I feel it's too hard then I figure something's wrong and don't force it.
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                            • #15
                              Revoman
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 2375

                              Yeah, even though it's a little more time, I don't use the Dillon primer tubes and hand prime only. I think that it's actually better as stated you get a feel for things not right, I usually find oversized primer pockets much easier when hand primer than when I used the tubes.

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