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  • uncommonsense
    Junior Member
    • May 2017
    • 63

    Minimum overall cartridge length 308 win

    Finished a LR308 build. I think I have a overall length issue as I get light primer strikes, the trigger doesn't reset, or at times when i release the trigger to hear it reset I hear two clicks (seems the hammer is coming off it's sear on the front of the trigger).

    Does anyone know if there's a minimum overall cartridge length on 308 Win? If not how do I safely find out what length to seat my handloads (they work fine in my M1A)? Im thinking to seat them further in by increments of 0.02" until I get reliable cycling. Right now they're all at +/- 0.01" of an overall length of 2.78."

    Faxon 308 fluted match barrel
    Elf drop in trigger group
    Lantac E-BCG
    I am of uncommonsense where as ages ago it was known as common sense where as today many are of common-non-sense.
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    9mmrevolver
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 1477

    What primers are u using? If using military primers I can see the drop in not wanting to fire them. I had issues with a chip drop in on my cmmg 308 with light primer strikes. Changed to standard trigger and fixed the problem

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    • #3
      uncommonsense
      Junior Member
      • May 2017
      • 63

      Originally posted by 9mmrevolver
      What primers are u using? If using military primers I can see the drop in not wanting to fire them. I had issues with a chip drop in on my cmmg 308 with light primer strikes. Changed to standard trigger and fixed the problem
      Using CCI large rifle primers. What's a chip drop btw?
      I am of uncommonsense where as ages ago it was known as common sense where as today many are of common-non-sense.

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      • #5
        9mmrevolver
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2006
        • 1477

        My Hornady book only has max COL at 2.810

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        • #6
          uncommonsense
          Junior Member
          • May 2017
          • 63

          Oh, lol
          I am of uncommonsense where as ages ago it was known as common sense where as today many are of common-non-sense.

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          • #7
            uncommonsense
            Junior Member
            • May 2017
            • 63

            I put a lot of time and $$$ into this thing so I just wanted to see if the overall cartridge length was the issue. I just don't want to seat it too far in and have a catastrophic failure.

            Like I said, they work fine in the M1A. I do notice expansion rings on the ejected brass (when it does pop off a round from the LR308) that look like stretch marks. If it's not fully seated I would presume the round isn't seated 100% but just enough to fire.

            I'm also taking the M1A to the range this Sat to see if the same marks appear on the ejected brass from that rifle too or not.
            Last edited by uncommonsense; 09-26-2017, 9:01 PM.
            I am of uncommonsense where as ages ago it was known as common sense where as today many are of common-non-sense.

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            • #8
              uncommonsense
              Junior Member
              • May 2017
              • 63

              Originally posted by 9mmrevolver
              My Hornady book only has max COL at 2.810
              Yeah same with the Lyman 50th..
              I am of uncommonsense where as ages ago it was known as common sense where as today many are of common-non-sense.

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              • #9
                Bigedski
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 976

                Check your headspacing

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                • #10
                  CSACANNONEER
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                  • Dec 2006
                  • 44094

                  OAL should not be an issue as long as it is not too long. Your problem could be headspacing. Do you reload? Have you checked to see if you're bumping the shoulder back too much? If you don't reload (or, even if you do), you should check to see if you're chamber is too deep. If your bolt closes on a no go gauge, that's probably your problem.
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                  • #11
                    baih777
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 5680

                    I would change the trigger first. For my lr308 i coal at 2.80
                    Whos lower are you using.
                    Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
                    I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
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                    • #12
                      uncommonsense
                      Junior Member
                      • May 2017
                      • 63

                      Originally posted by Bigedski
                      Check your headspacing
                      The first thing I did after building it was take it to my local gun smith. He said the head spacing was fine. That's why I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to find the right bullet seating depth without playing Christopher Columbus. Lol

                      I've dry fired, racked it, hit the trigger reset, dry fired again, racked it, hit the trigger reset, about 6x. It resets fine. I'll try using factory ammo and see if that cycles first.
                      Last edited by uncommonsense; 09-26-2017, 10:08 PM.
                      I am of uncommonsense where as ages ago it was known as common sense where as today many are of common-non-sense.

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                      • #13
                        uncommonsense
                        Junior Member
                        • May 2017
                        • 63

                        Originally posted by baih777
                        I would change the trigger first. For my lr308 i coal at 2.80
                        Whos lower are you using.
                        80percent Arms
                        I am of uncommonsense where as ages ago it was known as common sense where as today many are of common-non-sense.

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                        • #14
                          Paseclipse
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 1246

                          Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                          OAL should not be an issue as long as it is not too long. Your problem could be headspacing. Do you reload? Have you checked to see if you're bumping the shoulder back too much? If you don't reload (or, even if you do), you should check to see if you're chamber is too deep. If your bolt closes on a no go gauge, that's probably your problem.
                          ^^^ This! If you can fit you're rounds in a magazine it's most likely not an OAL issue. You need to make sure your bumping the shoulders back far enough when you resize your brass.

                          Or this could be an issue with whatever trigger setup you're using in your rifle.

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                          • #15
                            uncommonsense
                            Junior Member
                            • May 2017
                            • 63

                            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                            OAL should not be an issue as long as it is not too long. Your problem could be headspacing. Do you reload? Have you checked to see if you're bumping the shoulder back too much? If you don't reload (or, even if you do), you should check to see if you're chamber is too deep. If your bolt closes on a no go gauge, that's probably your problem.
                            Yeah I do reload. Used the Lee full length sizing die. I've since gotten a Dillon but haven't loaded 308 with it yet.
                            I am of uncommonsense where as ages ago it was known as common sense where as today many are of common-non-sense.

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