Unique+Berry's for 1895SBL

[RiskyBusiness]

Pick up my baby tomorrow and I'll be reloading from the get go for this. While I've read a good amount of info on the reduced loads for cast bullets and unique for this particular round I still have a few questions. I see the COAL max is 2.550 but I dont know what seating depth i should use. If i see to the canulure im at 2.482 and i seated another at 2.540 just to see something side by side of a cartridge just under a listed OAL of 2.550.

These are brand new starline cases that were sized and stretched out 0.003 to reach 2.100". These berrys are 350gr plated and not to exceed over 1700fps. These reduced loads of 11-14gr of unique are capped at about 1100fps i believe. I've read Berry's moved the canulure because folk were having trouble chambering these but that was info was posted about 7yrs ago on the marlin forum. I'm probably not going to find much help here because i've used the search function and there isn't a whole ton of you guys slinging this round but i still want to see whats out there.

[Dutch Henry]

If you're loading plated bullets, I'd suggest that you use only a light taper crimp; only enough to turn the expanded case mouth back against the bullet.
Trying to use a roll crimp on plated bullets should be avoided, even at the cannelure, as it can cause the plating to separate.

In the rare case where case friction isn't tight enough to hold the bullets, a little polishing of the resizing ball may help tighten up the case I.D.

[RiskyBusiness]

If you're loading plated bullets, I'd suggest that you use only a light taper crimp; only enough to turn the expanded case mouth back against the bullet.
Trying to use a roll crimp on plated bullets should be avoided, even at the cannelure, as it can cause the plating to separate.

In the rare case where case friction isn't tight enough to hold the bullets, a little polishing of the resizing ball may help tighten up the case I.D.

I think the LFC die doesnt allow you to overcrimp the way its designed. Do you have experience with this sort of load?

[Dutch Henry]

I have avoided using plated bullets in my .45-70. I stockpiled a bunch of .458 diameter jacketed bullets many years ago when they were cheap. I shoot 300 grain bullets at around 1900 fps using an 1886 Winchester (Browning copy).

I do shoot .44 magnum and .357 plated rounds in rifles using a taper crimp. They are warm loads, using 2400. They load, feed and function well.

[RiskyBusiness]

apparently not many calgunners shoot 1895's. gonna try posting at Marlin Firearms. i'll report back if i get anything helpful to contribute here

[RiskyBusiness]

Update:

Just picked up my Marlin from jail and tried to chamber both my dummy rounds.

1) 2.540 COL gets caught up in the chamber before fully entering, theres about a few mm of the base of the casing that wont go in. Seated bullet with crimp groove above the case mouth.

2) 2.482 COL chambers in fine. The bullet is seated down to the middle of the crimp groove.

My concern with the shorter COL is the increased pressure and velocity. Im not supposed to push these past 1700fps because of the plating. I doubt this will happen with the cartridge being so short but I'd thought i'd get more advice for this case. With 11-14gr of unique im looking at a max of ~1200fps. My only other rifle reloading experience is in 223 and i understand Max COAL is 2.260 but I've safely seated them down to 2.200 for my liking. Theres a .060" difference in the Max COAL of a 45-70 and the one the dummy round that chambers in my gun. I was thinking maybe to seat the bullet higher and climb 0.010" until the round no longer chambers just so i can relieve pressure of having such a short cartridge?