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  • milotrain
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 4301

    Feeding the M14

    Got a new M14 built by Isaac McCaskill on a double lugged Bula action with a Kreiger. Poking around a bit and talking with him he likes running the 2155 for in his M14s and runs 4895 or Varget at around 43gr. Wondering if anyone else want's to share their M14 accuracy loads.

    Joel?
    weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
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  • #2
    highpower790
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2013
    • 3481

    2155s at 43gr would be good for shortline work and then switch to 175s with the same load for 600+.
    Keep it simple!

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    • #3
      milotrain
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 4301

      Last edited by milotrain; 08-26-2017, 4:48 PM.
      weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
      frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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      • #4
        17+1
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 2847

        Military case (IVI, WCC, FA match are the ones I have), 42 grains of varget, sierra 175 or hornady 178, CCI 200, bullets seat to mag length, no crimp.

        Powerful enough to knock down rams at 500 meters. My M1A is a standard model with 22" barrel though so YMMV. Accurate enough for what we do with it. Got 28-30 at the silhouette match with NM front sight, smith enterprise hooded rear national match sight.

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        • #5
          smoothy8500
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 3846

          Nosler 168 CC "blems" with 41.5gr of IMR4064 at 2.810" in LC brass gives 2,541fps. Barrel is a Criterion midweight 1-11 in a McMillan stock. I use this load in all stages XTC.

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          • #6
            1911a1
            Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 392

            The 2155 with 44 grains varget can be used for 3 and 600. With the extra speed of the 2155 the ballistics are about the same at 600 as the 175 smk. Or for 600 go to the 2156 new Palma and shoot inside the 175smk with less recoil. With the 2156 you have to load past mag length but you can put in about 45 grains or slightly more of varget. For 200 I have been using the 125 tnt Speer or the 135 grain Sierra match king with 41 grains varget. The other thing about the 155 is it shoots flatter and your rear sight won't be as high promoting better check weld.

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            • #7
              1911a1
              Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 392

              Did he weld a front lug on the reciever?

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              • #8
                highpower790
                Veteran Member
                • Jun 2013
                • 3481

                Originally posted by 1911a1
                Did he weld a front lug on the reciever?
                Front and rear lug.
                Keep it simple!

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                • #9
                  milotrain
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 4301

                  Originally posted by 1911a1
                  Did he weld a front lug on the reciever?
                  I thought it had a rear lug from the factory but I haven't seen the action since 2016. I can't find such a thing on their website so maybe it's not lugged. They are the forged M14 "rock-ola" receivers from BULA, and they are really nice compared to what else you can get. I got it around the same time I got a McCoy M1 that was double lugged by McCoy so maybe I just got my wires crossed.
                  Last edited by milotrain; 08-27-2017, 11:48 AM.
                  weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                  frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                  • #10
                    OpenSightsOnly
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 1557

                    Originally posted by 1911a1
                    The 2155 with 44 grains varget can be used for 3 and 600. With the extra speed of the 2155 the ballistics are about the same at 600 as the 175 smk. Or for 600 go to the 2156 new Palma and shoot inside the 175smk with less recoil. With the 2156 you have to load past mag length but you can put in about 45 grains or slightly more of varget. For 200 I have been using the 125 tnt Speer or the 135 grain Sierra match king with 41 grains varget. The other thing about the 155 is it shoots flatter and your rear sight won't be as high promoting better check weld.
                    For 600, how fast is the 2156 going to match or get close to the 175 SMK?

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                    • #11
                      milotrain
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 4301

                      Originally posted by 1911a1
                      The 2155 with 44 grains varget can be used for 3 and 600. With the extra speed of the 2155 the ballistics are about the same at 600 as the 175 smk. Or for 600 go to the 2156 new Palma and shoot inside the 175smk with less recoil. With the 2156 you have to load past mag length but you can put in about 45 grains or slightly more of varget. For 200 I have been using the 125 tnt Speer or the 135 grain Sierra match king with 41 grains varget. The other thing about the 155 is it shoots flatter and your rear sight won't be as high promoting better check weld.
                      I like the 2156 and I've got some 135s around. Thanks for this! No issues beating up the gun with 45gr of varget and the 2156?
                      weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                      frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                      • #12
                        highpower790
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2013
                        • 3481

                        Originally posted by milotrain
                        I like the 2156 and I've got some 135s around. Thanks for this! No issues beating up the gun with 45gr of varget and the 2156?
                        Light weight bullets are great when the barrel is new,but as it(barrel) wears the need for a heavier projectile may be necessary.,but you knew that already.
                        Keep it simple!

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                        • #13
                          milotrain
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 4301

                          Originally posted by OpenSightsOnly
                          For 600, how fast is the 2156 going to match or get close to the 175 SMK?
                          Looking at JBM (normal disclaimer applies) and using Litz's numbers the 2156 shoots inside the 175SMK if you can get it going around 100fps faster. Obviously it's not linear, but that looks like a general trend around the muzzle velocities I expect out of an M14.

                          45gr of varget is a traditional palma load which should be well hotter than the 2650fps needed to get the 2156 inside of the 175 going 2550fps.
                          Last edited by milotrain; 08-27-2017, 3:09 PM.
                          weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                          frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                          • #14
                            highpower790
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2013
                            • 3481

                            Originally posted by milotrain
                            Looking at JBM (normal disclaimer applies) and using Litz's numbers the 2156 shoots inside the 175SMK if you can get it going around 100fps faster. Obviously it's not linear, but that looks like a general trend around the muzzle velocities I expect out of an M14.

                            45gr of varget is a traditional palma load which should be well hotter than the 2650fps needed to get the 2156 inside of the 175 going 2550fps.
                            Well then... wouldn't a 1000yd palma load be interesting?
                            Last edited by highpower790; 08-27-2017, 4:16 PM.
                            Keep it simple!

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                            • #15
                              OpenSightsOnly
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 1557

                              Yeah I ran the values (175 going at 2650) using JBM before asking the question.

                              Actually, I should have phrased the question like how fast was it going where the felt recoil is less than the 175 SMK and the actual come-up at 600 using 2156 so that you don't have to crane your neck

                              A 2156 going at 2750 has 1MOA or so less compared to 175 SMK going at 2650.

                              So, is it around 2800 for the 2156? I know this is subjective but I was just trying to get an idea since the poster noted less recoil and less elevation while using 2156
                              Last edited by OpenSightsOnly; 08-27-2017, 3:23 PM. Reason: cant type and schpell lol

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