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  • alexisjohnson
    Senior Member
    • May 2016
    • 651

    Can it be said that 231 is inherently more accurate than titegroup?

    Hey everyone,
    Whenever i work with titegroup, i notice that there is a very small window from min to max charge, while with 231 (or other powders), there is a much large window.

    I was thinking since the powder dropper might not be 100% the same with each drop, can it be said that the powders with a larger min to max ratio are inherently more accurate (less deviation) than those with a smaller window?
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    highpower790
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2013
    • 3481

    With a pistol I don't think it matters very much.I recently pick a bottle of VVN340 when I wanted VVN320 and W231 is another I'm looking at.
    I intend to load just above minimum and go with it.Shooting for accuracy with a pistol seems pointless to me.
    Keep it simple!

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    • #3
      tonyjr
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 1448

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      I agree with him bullets / pills have more to do with accuracy than powders .
      Given the same pill , I go for he powder with largest min / max . But I only use Hodgdon powders - easier to find and I stick with ball type .
      For accuracy , I weighted every charge , I only used mag primers [ again only CCI primers ] This was for hunting / sighting in on bolt action , the 45 ACP and 50 AE .
      For target shooting the loadmaster is fine for reloading [ I have and use both types of Lee powder drops ].
      I stick with HS-6 , HP-38 , H110 and lately the CFE . I did buy a pound of varget - too dirty for me - when it is gone - I won't buy more .
      If it means anything , I only use jacketed pills .
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      • #4
        bruce381
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 2436

        Can it be said that 231 is inherently more accurate than titegroup?

        no not at all

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        • #5
          Capt.Dunsel
          Senior Member
          • May 2011
          • 1199

          Originally posted by highpower790
          With a pistol I don't think it matters very much.Shooting for accuracy with a pistol seems pointless to me.
          Then you have never met my pistols ( revolvers and single shots in that category)
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          • #6
            RegionRat
            Junior Member
            • May 2017
            • 61

            Originally posted by highpower790
            With a pistol I don't think it matters very much.I recently pick a bottle of VVN340 when I wanted VVN320 and W231 is another I'm looking at.
            I intend to load just above minimum and go with it.Shooting for accuracy with a pistol seems pointless to me.
            It isn't worth arguing, so to each their own. It is okay not to be interested in Silhouette, Bullseye, Hunting, or accuracy with a pistol. There is certainly much interest in combat accuracy, and I doubt those guys mind when the target guys share what they can since it may be applicable. Many of us agree the bullet selection plays a role, so it should be possible that powder could contribute in some instances.

            But to answer the OP's question, it does seem that some powders are easier than others with rifles, so why not pistols. It could be similar. I just think there are so few investigators and folks who do research work on pistol accuracy that it would be hard to know.

            I spent my younger years blasting some very strong loads in .44 mag chasing silhouette. We tested just as much as any rifle guys would. At several clubs, old timers who shot .45-70 rifles in competition were amazed at my Dan Wesson 8" Vent Heavy barrel revolver. That was because it was out shooting most rifles at 100 and 200 yards. So, the accuracy games are not for everyone but your question is a valid one.

            Some powders show large nodes in rifles at charge levels that are very useful for many applications. Those powders are usually known for being less sensitive to temperature swings too.

            So, it would take a lab with a pistol barrel test stand to find out for sure, or at least a good silhouette rig and a talent to drive it.

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            • #7
              TexasJackKin
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 718

              OP, I've had the same thought, I also look at how big a jump, in powder, it takes to make 50FPS change in velocity.

              Like I said, I've had the same thought, but have never done any experiments, to test the theory, as there are many other factors involved. Some guns like some powders more than others, and as others have said, bullet powder combinations matter, as well as how the cartridge is assembled, over all length, crimp, primer, lead, jacketed, plated.........But I have wondered the same thing.
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              • #8
                rm1911
                Veteran Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 4073

                At pistol ranges, there won't be enough differences to matter. Unless you have a match tuned gun and are a match shooter. And even then, the differences will be slight.

                I like efficient powders, powders that have good bang for the buck. In other words, how many rounds can I get per pound. Also I like cleaner powders. I always found 231 a little dirtier than bullseye, of course I might be imagining that.

                As long as the gun goes bang and cycles reliably, I don't think powder is all that big a deal. Power burn rate is far more important. Like don't switch from a faster powder like bullseye to something like blue dot, just because "dude, the manual shows data for blue dot".

                To test for any real accuracy differences you'd have to weigh each charge on a digi scale then shoot rounds out a ransom rest. All to find a 1" difference at 25 yds.
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                • #9
                  TomReloaded
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 1637

                  That's oversimplified a bit. I don't care what my handgun does from a rest. Standing, the difference can be shocking.

                  I found I can't shoot unique accurate or fast. It feels bad and I perform poorly shooting it. I can shoot wst very well. My new favorite by a big margin, CFE pistol, I find shoots amazing and I perform best with it.

                  From a rest, sure all those powders might do an inch spread at 25 yards. That's not how my hands handle it though.. and isn't that all that matters?

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