Cross-post: Non jump-sensitive 6.5 bullet options?

[hardlyworking]

Good morning gents!

I am the proud owner of a collection of parts that can be assembled into a 6.5 creedmoor, rem700.

I have been buying parts on sale, or scavanging from other builds so cost is still a very important part of this, but I've also been trying to buy quality so that as I replace more budget minded parts I can work toward something special.

What I do not have, is a target bullet picked out.

My *plan* was to pick something in the 120-130 range because I would like to have a load using a powder/primer that is very similar to what I plan to use for hunting (Barnes 127gr LRX).

Can anyone suggest a 6.5mm bullet that is not overly sensitive to jump? I currently have a Criterion barrel nut Rem/age setup which won't screw on at exactly the same spot every time it is put on, so chasing the lands doesn't seem like an option I want to insist on for my bullets.

I could conceivable use this at up to 600 yards regularly (OVGC) and possibly up to 1000 (Piru) but that would be a rare occasion, on paper and steel. Cost is still important so something like the Warner Flatlines are not going to happen for me.

Thanks guys!

[RookieShooter]

What is a "Non jump-sensitive bullet"?

[jimmykan]

Berger 140 grain Hybrid Target
Nosler 140 grain Custom Competition
Sierra 140 grain MatchKing
Sierra 142 grain MatchKing

Basically anything with a tangent or hybrid ogive will be "jump tolerant".

[NorCalFocus]

What is a "Non jump-sensitive bullet"?

Jump refers to the distance the bullet has to travel from the case to where is meets the lands in the barrel. Some bullets are very sensitive on how far that distance is. Others are not.

[silvertriple]

I find it interesting you want a match bullet not sensitive to jump, but want to shoot the 127 LRX for hunting which is sensitive to jump.

[hardlyworking]

I find it interesting you want a match bullet not sensitive to jump, but want to shoot the 127 LRX for hunting which is sensitive to jump.

By all means if you have an all copper (or other non-lead), expanding, 6.5mm bullet for hunting that is not jump sensitive I am ALL EARS!

I picked the Barnes because California requires it (yes I know phase in, etc.) and because lots of people in other states without non-lead requirements use Barnes bullets by choice for hunting.

Are these a better choice? http://www.hornady.com/store/6.5mm-.264-120-gr-GMX/

[longrange1]

https://www.nosler.com/e-tip-lead-free-bullet

[hardlyworking]

Thanks for the suggestion longrange1!

The only "experience" I have with the e-tip is the discussion forums over on 68forums.com where people have tried the 85 grain (light and fast in a 6.8SPCII) and found the Barnes TSX and TTSX (various weights) to be superior.

I have no experience at all with the E-Tip or Barnes bullets personally, I settled on the 100gr GMX for 6.8 handloads and have found it reasonably accurate, but that's the only lead-free I've tried.

[Whiterabbit]

I do NOT like GMX or E-tips. I have shot alot of etips and a few GMX. Only exception I make for Barnes is in my 20 ga shotgun with sabot slugs. But that is something else.

The TTSX i use in my 7mm mauser jump a mile and a half to the lands, and are 1.5 MOA easy through a cold barrel.

If you want a jump insensitive copper solid in a barnes, the TTSX is GTG. within 400 yards it's a dead pig every shot.

[silvertriple]

By all means if you have an all copper (or other non-lead), expanding, 6.5mm bullet for hunting that is not jump sensitive I am ALL EARS!

I picked the Barnes because California requires it (yes I know phase in, etc.) and because lots of people in other states without non-lead requirements use Barnes bullets by choice for hunting.

Are these a better choice? http://www.hornady.com/store/6.5mm-.264-120-gr-GMX/

Just giving you a hard time.

The 127 lrx should shoot and perform great. I did a short load development trial with them in my 6.5x55. They easily shot 1/2 moa consistently. I mainly use the 100 ttsx in my grendels. They shoot half moa in 3 rifles and have performed wonderfully on deer. They do require a good jump and likes to be pushed fast!

[acourvil]

I've had good results with the 127LRX, and it opens at a slightly lower speed than the TTSX.

[hardlyworking]

Whew!

Thanks guys for getting back to this, now that I've got a plan:
Berger 140 Hybrids
Barnes 127 LRXs

And I'm planning on the new Reloader 16 (http://www.alliantpowder.com/product...reloder16.aspx) for my powder choice. But I could be getting sucked in by the hype - appropriate speeds for 6.5Creed, Temp stability for shooting all year in any location, and Anti-copper to make fouling less prevalent.

Call it done? Or do you have other suggestions? I know people like H4350 but they also say it smells like cat pee... :P

[acourvil]

H4350 is great if you can get it, very widely used for 260 Rem/6.5 Creed etc.

If the 140 hybrids don't work out, try 130 Hybrids or 130 VLDs. The VLDs have a reputation as being jump sensitive, but in my 260 Rem hunting rifle they shoot almost the same as the 127 LRXs. YMMV

[Whiterabbit]

Good morning gents!

Can anyone suggest a 6.5mm bullet that is not overly sensitive to jump?

Thanks guys!

Hello Sir,

I have new data for you!

I have a Ruger precision rifle in 243. I use "Target Hybrids" because I was told "they are less jump sensitive than VLD's". You see, I have a long throat in the RPR and to seat close to the lands means my COAL is WAY over mag length. So I seat to mag length. (I have data that shows this is best for my charge weight, too.)

I thought I was "stuck" not using VLDs.

Fast forward, I had a small sample of VLD's. So I loaded them up using my optimum recipe for the hybrids, and I did not re-adjust my seating die. "ogive to lands" distance is the same, hybrids vs VLD, but the VLD COAL is actually much shorter than mag length.

In short, I loaded Berger 105 grain Hunting VLD bullets WAY short so they have a huge jump to the lands. Exactly what I'm not supposed to do.

My gun is a ~.866 MOA gun. (Actually I think it can do much better, but I only have data to support .866 MOA from a reliability perspective). Here's what the "deoptimized VLD's" did:



And that was a "rush" job on the shooting. As in, uncomfortable position. So I think this can be even further improved.

So basically, my next buy after I run out of target hybrids will be for hunting VLD's and if they keep shooting like this, I can live with the "huge jump to the lands"

Because I appear to be insensitive to it