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  • aspenvalley
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2016
    • 693

    Deer load

    Well now that I have started reloading and we can't use lead, I am thinking about rolling my own deer hunting loads. Not know anything about non lead bullets where should I start in 243, 30-06 and 7mm mag. Those are the 3 guns between me and my two sons. Thanks for your help.
  • #2
    edgerly779
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Aug 2009
    • 19871

    nosler e tip or barnes bullets. Must be approved for non lead. I use the copperheads in 223 for non game. e tips for the rest. I keep the box the bullets came in to show warden if checked. Never had a problem. Big game ok for lead just not in condor area or on state lands.
    Last edited by edgerly779; 02-14-2017, 9:07 AM.

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    • #3
      Dark Hunt
      Member
      • Sep 2016
      • 420

      Because the copper bullets are long for their weight they need a faster barrel twist to stabilize the same weight lead bullets.

      In the 243 start with the 70 grain copper bullets for the standard 1:10" twist barrels. In the 30.06 start with the 150 grain bullets and in the 7 Mag try the 130 and 140 grain bullets.

      Load toward the higher end of the velocity range for the cartridge and don't load close to the lands, start seating at about .050" of jump.
      NRA Endowment Life Member

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      • #4
        aspenvalley
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2016
        • 693

        I hunt up in D6 so I will be going onto state lands. Thanks for the help.

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        • #5
          arrowshooter
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2013
          • 724

          My 30.06 load also for D-6. This works in my rifle and you should work up for yours.

          168 gr E-Tip
          57gr A4350
          CCI 200 primer
          Brass trimmed to 2.484
          COAL 3.30
          Avg FPS 2,766

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          • #6
            Divernhunter
            Calguns Addict
            • May 2010
            • 8753

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            A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
            NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
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            • #7
              Desertdoc
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2015
              • 593

              I will be working with for .243.

              Pioneering the world's most effective all-copper hunting bullet. For over 30 years, we've been engineering the most advanced hunting bullets, trusted by the world's best hunters and shooters.



              9.25 twist barrel. It may work or it may not.

              If not, time to re-barrel.
              Last edited by Desertdoc; 02-14-2017, 2:45 PM.
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              • #8
                pacrat
                I need a LIFE!!
                • May 2014
                • 10283

                From my own experience. I prefer the Barnes products. They are made with "driving bands" along the length. This greatly reduces the bullets bearing surface. Which lowers pressures in a given load. Early Barnes were made the same as the Nosler. Then they got smart and added the grooves.

                Super important to definitely start at "start" charges and limit charge increases to tiny increments when developing loads for the E-tips. Pressure spikes appear quickly.

                In my 270 win. A 1/2 gr increase of 4831 behind a 130. Went from rounded primers and easy extraction. To pounding the bolt open, and imprinted primers with mushroomed edges.

                JM2c

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                • #9
                  Desertdoc
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2015
                  • 593

                  Originally posted by pacrat
                  Which lowers pressures in a given load.
                  Thank you for this tidbit.
                  Primum Non Nocere

                  Good Medicine, Bad Places.

                  Do No Harm, Do Know Harm.

                  "SA MC Operator. Cuz, you gotta Operate when you're cruzin' the couch with the vodka!"--XDJYo

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                  • #10
                    silvertriple
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 749

                    Although in a 6.5mm caliber, I've had great terminal performance from barnes ttsx 100gr. After much research, I went with barnes's because I like their concept of the four cutting petals. Have not been disappointed yet.

                    The barnes like a lot of jump and speed. As recommended earlier, start at min and slowly work up.

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                    • #11
                      Dark Hunt
                      Member
                      • Sep 2016
                      • 420

                      Originally posted by Desertdoc
                      I will be working with for .243.

                      Pioneering the world's most effective all-copper hunting bullet. For over 30 years, we've been engineering the most advanced hunting bullets, trusted by the world's best hunters and shooters.



                      9.25 twist barrel. It may work or it may not.

                      If not, time to re-barrel.
                      The 85 grain Barnes should work in the 9.25" twist.
                      NRA Endowment Life Member

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                      • #12
                        ducky_0811
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 759

                        I'm shooting the Barnes 165gr tsx over 4064 seated .050" off the lands. Extremely accurate and that load has 3 one shot DRT deer kills over the last two seasons. Barnes has been in the copper game a lot longer, they know what they're doing.

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