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  • ShootSki
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2017
    • 33

    Smoky 357 loads

  • #2
    zvardan
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 657

    It's from the bullet lube (lead bullets only). Use jacketed or plated and the problem with subside, though there's nothing wrong using lead, it'll just be smokey. It's fairly common.

    Also, you don't need a magnum primer with bullseye but has nothing to do with the smoke.
    Last edited by zvardan; 01-08-2017, 12:32 PM.

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    • #3
      Divernhunter
      Calguns Addict
      • May 2010
      • 8753

      Yes I bet it is the lube.
      You may not need mag primers but all I use is mag primers and have never had any problems. "I personally" do not use Bullseye as it is far too easy to double charge and blow up a firearm. It has happened too many times for me to chance it. That said there is nothing wrong about the powder. Plus I had 15+ pounds of 700X left over from shotgun reloading years ago that I am still working on plus the 8-9 pounds of Unique and 12 pounds of Win231.

      I do not know where you are located but I would trade some reg primers I got for your mag ones. And they will not make a difference on the smoke or anything else. There was a test done with a 357 that showed the mag primers gave better accuracy with the powders they tested. Use them and be glad. All I can get is regular ones and I will not buy them. Waiting on my local shop(that has good prices) to get mag primers----and some Fed 215 for my rifles.
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      • #4
        Barbarosa
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 2166

        Bullseye is great powder but is notoriously dirty, especially when fired out of shorter barrels. When I shoot my polished SS 640 it ends up looking like it is blued after about a dozen rounds. I usually load between 2.8 and 3.2 grains with 158 grain LSWC, but occasionally load them closer to the range you are in. When I shoot the hotter loads out of the 2" barrel people think I'm shooting black powder because of the smoke.

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        • #5
          BajaJames83
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2011
          • 6036

          Bullseye isn't too smokey it is the lead bullets
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          • #6
            rsrocket1
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 2768

            If you cast, try powder coating. If they are store bought lead bullets, try the exact same recipe with plated or jacketed bullets just for fun. I'll bet you'll see a lot less smoke.

            In the mean time, have fun with the smoke belching loads. That's half the fun of shooting, especially outdoors.

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            • #7
              Divernhunter
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2010
              • 8753

              If someone asks about the smoke just tell them you like to use black powder in your loads. Then wait for their reaction
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              • #8
                JagerDog
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                • May 2011
                • 14687

                Smokey is pretty much always the lube.

                One reason I like the Bear Creek moly coated slugs.
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                • #9
                  robert101
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 1997

                  I experienced the smoky problem in my last batch of 38 Special +P rounds fired this past weekend. I too used Bullseye powder but with plated bullets. It had to be the powder that was smoking so much.

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                  • #10
                    pennstater
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 4657

                    Originally posted by Divernhunter
                    If someone asks about the smoke just tell them you like to use black powder in your loads. Then wait for their reaction
                    Ha! Good one Diver! Likin' that.

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                    • #11
                      Divernhunter
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2010
                      • 8753

                      You are very welcome to use it if that question comes up.
                      A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
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                      • #12
                        ShootSki
                        Junior Member
                        • Jan 2017
                        • 33

                        Originally posted by zvardan
                        It's from the bullet lube (lead bullets only). Use jacketed or plated and the problem with subside, though there's nothing wrong using lead, it'll just be smokey. It's fairly common.

                        Also, you don't need a magnum primer with bullseye but has nothing to do with the smoke.
                        Thanks for the input

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                        • #13
                          ShootSki
                          Junior Member
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 33

                          Originally posted by Divernhunter
                          "I personally" do not use Bullseye as it is far too easy to double charge and blow up a firearm. It has happened too many times for me to chance it.
                          Interesting. Is this because the charge is small relative to the length of the case?

                          Originally posted by Divernhunter
                          Plus I had 15+ pounds of 700X left over from shotgun reloading years ago that I am still working on plus the 8-9 pounds of Unique and 12 pounds of Win231.
                          That's some inventory! I've heard stories about when this stuff was easy to come by...

                          Originally posted by Divernhunter
                          I do not know where you are located but I would trade some reg primers I got for your mag ones. And they will not make a difference on the smoke or anything else. There was a test done with a 357 that showed the mag primers gave better accuracy with the powders they tested. Use them and be glad.
                          I'm in Livermore, would be happy to swap a few if you ever find yourself in these parts. Let's discuss on PM. Good to know on accuracy. Thanks for all the info.
                          Last edited by ShootSki; 01-09-2017, 10:18 PM. Reason: typo

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                          • #14
                            ShootSki
                            Junior Member
                            • Jan 2017
                            • 33

                            Originally posted by Barbarosa
                            ....I usually load between 2.8 and 3.2 grains with 158 grain LSWC...
                            Good to know I can go with less powder. Will give that a try and see if the smoke thins.

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                            • #15
                              Marshal Sixgun
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                              • May 2015
                              • 13

                              Like others I have found bullseye on the dirty side, but lube is definitely a major contributor to smokiness.

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