M80A1......hurry before it is all gone

[Unretarded]

m855A1 is already gone....

A little spendy...but.

http://www.americanreloading.com/en/30-caliber-rifle-bullets/761-308-m80-a1-130-gr-steel-tip-lead-free-250-ct.html

[Divernhunter]

For the price they can keep them.

[Unretarded]

I am NOT buying any...........but people have been waiting for these to be available to the public, so I posted.

Too expensive and too specialty for me.......I will not even pay that for 175 FGMM !

The post was mostly sarcasm and part informational, I am shocked much has sold at all at that price, much less out of stock already, but the 556 is the better of the 2.

[bigdawg86]

I saw those... Pretty cool but not sure what I'd do with them. Sure as hell wouldn't ladder test those.

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[Metal God]

Interesting but what's the point of them ? Is it that they are lead free . I have to assume they're no better then black tipped 30 cal bullets and if only steel not even as good at penetrating .

Anyone know anything more about this projectile ? Like why it was made .

Never mind found this , yep it's all about reducing the lead .

http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsus-army-improve-m80a1-762mm-projectiles

US Army scientists and engineers are currently working on improvements for M80A1 7.62mm ammunition to make the projectile more eco-friendly.

Work is being carried out by a special technical team from the Picatinny Arsenal using the enhanced performance round (EPR) technology that has resulted in removing approximately 2,000t of lead from the waste stream from the legacy M855 cartridge in 2010.

The M855A1 EPR uses a copper core instead of lead, and exerts the same level of impact on soft targets or enemies as its predecessor.

The EPR technology has removed 32 grains of lead from each M855A1 projectile, while around 114.5 lead grains are expected to be eliminated per M80A1 projectile.

Program Executive Officer Ammunition Small Caliber Ammunition product manager lieutenant colonel Phil Clark said: "This makes the projectile environmentally friendly, while still giving soldiers the performance capabilities they need on the battlefield. So far, we have eliminated 1,994mt of lead from 5.56 ammunition production."

[Unretarded]

It is a massive performance upgrade....over standard m855/ss109, not only penetration, but also fragmentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX4ODh1g4eM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gxeSpjdSk

They took this oppertunity to ignore the Hague Convention, since we never signed it anyway......we have been following it, but not bound by it.

[Metal God]

Cool the 5.56 stuff looks like it penetrates much better . But this thread is about the 30 cal stuff . I'd like to see a side by side comparison of the M80A1 and the 162gr black tip round . The Black tip is an AP round and has a tungsten carbide core . Much harder then steel . I can't imagine the new stuff doing better but likely does as good as the old stuff though .

[Unretarded]

The blacktip wins for penetration,based on the video`s I have seen but lacks the fragmentation on soft targets the new one has.....


As a standard issue machine gun round it would be nice, as a sniper round, no, as a DM rifle round, no. I believe it is a replacement to m-80 ball, not a AP replacement.

[liber]

A little spendy...but.

A little ? $1.79/bullet for a 130 gr?

[Unretarded]

A little ? $1.79/bullet for a 130 gr?

Here is 20 percent off code if that helps.....lol, .... 20OFFWEEKEND.....

[shark101au]

Cool the 5.56 stuff looks like it penetrates much better . But this thread is about the 30 cal stuff . I'd like to see a side by side comparison of the M80A1 and the 162gr black tip round . The Black tip is an AP round and has a tungsten carbide core . Much harder then steel . I can't imagine the new stuff doing better but likely does as good as the old stuff though .

Hell no,the penetrator isn't tungsten-carbide, it's nothing more than hardened tool steel.

It wouldn't surprise me if the M80A1 penetrater was harder.

[Metal God]

My research found the early 30cal AP rounds did have tungsten in them . How ever the specs changed in the 50's - ish to a hardened steel other then tungsten . Good call on not being tungsten anymore . I don't have the data on how hard it must be to match spec .

[shark101au]

My research found the early 30cal AP rounds did have tungsten in them . How ever the specs changed in the 50's - ish to a hardened steel other then tungsten . Good call on not being tungsten anymore . I don't have the data on how hard it must be to match spec .

I know the current M993 and M995 have tungsten penetrators and I'm sure to your point there were earlier experimental rounds using the same.