223 Case Prep using Dillon Super 1050

[ARog]

Upgrading from a Lee Loadmaster to a Dillon Super 1050 to do my 223/5.56 rounds. I also use a Giraud Power Trimmer to trim the cases. I've always resized then trimmed but my friend is recommending the following with my new setup:

2. Tumble Brass Clean
3. Run them through the Giraud trimmer (before resizing them)
3. Lube them up and start reloading on the 1050.

Is this advised?

If you have a 1050 how do you reload 223? (or prep the cases for reload)

Thanks!

[liber]

If you run them through the trimmer before you resize them, the necks will be larger than they would be when they are correctly sized.

I always resize before I trim. and use a Dillon 650 for the majority of it.

[waawaaweenie]

I back off the seating and powder dies and have no primers loaded and run the brass through and then trim and then reset the machine and load as usual. I use Imperial wax and put on a pair of latex gloves and wipe a good smear in one hand, grab some of the brass, like 5-8 and roll and mash them between my hands, every few handfuls I put more lube on my hands. then when I get a good amount of them done I load the case feeder. It takes longer but I am not spending all that money for another tool head. A 650 would be better for this but I have the 1050

[foxtrotuniformlima]

Full length resizing will uniform the brass including the necks. The Giraud & Gracey trimmers both depend on the case mouth being perfect or else it won't trim, chamfer and debur.

Imagine if you put this in the trimmer:


But if you resize first, those case mouths are perfectly uniform and, more importantly, round.

[ARog]

waawaaweenie: Have you considered using Dillon's spray lube?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vAL0WtuEQc

[ARog]

Good info. BTW about 2 years ago I bough 500 prepped and primed 223 cases off you and I was blown away at how uniform the brass was. Now that I just got a Giraud trimmer I now see how that's possible! lol Cheers!

Full length resizing will uniform the brass including the necks. The Giraud & Gracey trimmers both depend on the case mouth being perfect or else it won't trim, chamfer and debur.

Imagine if you put this in the trimmer:


But if you resize first, those case mouths are perfectly uniform and, more importantly, round.

[AAShooter]

You might find this series of videos helpful . . .

[waawaaweenie]

waawaaweenie: Have you considered using Dillon's spray lube?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vAL0WtuEQc

I have never stuck a case with the Imperial

I ain't a switching anything

knocking on my wood head right now

[waawaaweenie]

yep, people wince at the price of Giraud trimmers but once they use one, they all want one. and if you buy one at the beginning, before you buy other waste of money products, it will be less money spent in the end

[gvbsat]

yep, people wince at the price of Giraud trimmers but once they use one, they all want one. and if you buy one at the beginning, before you buy other waste of money products, it will be less money spent in the end

I'n not sure how many pieces of 223 brass a home depot bucket holds, but It took me about 6 hrs to size, trim and swage the pockets using a Dillon 650 set up with the 1500 case trimmer and then using the 600 pocket swager. If the poster has gone to the expense to run a 1050, why not trim on it as well? One pass and done. I would guess you could process that same bucket of brass im less than half the time. And that rt 1500 trimmer is so excellent. Best i have used.

[ARog]

It was a tossup between the Giraud trimmer and the RT-1500. The advantage with the RT-1500 is you can run it on the press, the disadvantage is the RT-1500 only trims where the Giraud trims, chamfers and deburs all at the same time. Honesty if the Super 1050 had enough spaces to reload 223 in one pass I would have gone the rt-1500 route but because you have to run it though twice I found more people where in favor of the Giraud trimmer so I went that route. Also the Giraud was cheaper in the long run for me. Because with the Dillon rt-1500 I would also need to buy the trimming die and buy a shop vac to take care of the brass trimmings. So that's why I chose Giraud. The machine is sweet and I'm more than happy with it!

I'n not sure how many pieces of 223 brass a home depot bucket holds, but It took me about 6 hrs to size, trim and swage the pockets using a Dillon 650 set up with the 1500 case trimmer and then using the 600 pocket swager. If the poster has gone to the expense to run a 1050, why not trim on it as well? One pass and done. I would guess you could process that same bucket of brass im less than half the time. And that rt 1500 trimmer is so excellent. Best i have used.

[ARog]

Just FYI...last night I tried trimming the brass before resizing it and it was a no-go using the Giraud. The case needs to be resized first to properly fit into the Giraud to be trimmed. Cheers and thanks all.

[TexasJackKin]

I've found that the case seems shorter after it's fired. (Gets short and fat) after you resize it it will be longer, so you want to trim AFTER you re-size,