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  • Elgatodeacero
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2015
    • 1295

    LabRadar - first use and first impressions

    I have wanted a chronograph for a long time, and almost bought an Oehler, and then almost got a Magnetospeed. When the LabRadar was announced (2013?) I put my name on the company's interest list and followed their story.

    Prior to the LabRadar unit I have not owned a chrono, but I have used most of the available units with friends. They all seemed clunky and a pain in the neck to me.

    Once the first LabRadar reviews were published confirming its function, I renewed my efforts to get one.

    I ordered a LabRadar from LongRangeHunting.com a long while back, after being frustrated by the lack of response from the LabRadar company website. I have no connection to LabRadar or LongRangeHunting, and this was my first purchase from LongRangeHunting.com.

    LongRangeHunting was great to work with, communicated with me quickly and clearly, and I would highly recommend ordering the LabRadar from them instead of the importer. My unit arrived a week ago, and I had a chance to test it out this morning. My unit has a serial number around 400, so there are not very many of these in circulation yet.

    I had a chance to fire 180 rounds of various 9mm, through 3 pistols, but after a first use it seems properly adjusted for pistol usage. The Glock 19 that was fired posted higher velocities (20-30 fps) than a Beretta M9A1 with all ammunition tested, I guess Beretta needs polygonal rifling?

    I think use at rifle distances will require a little adjustment of the settings and preferences.

    It took me 30 shots and about 15 minutes, to get the device recording every shot of 9mm with a target at 15 yards or so. It was able to detect one shot per second, but I did not try to go any faster or try to out run the unit.

    If I had read the manual closer instead of winging it, I may have saved a few shots but you really need to use it at the range to learn it. It also takes some experience with placement of the muzzle, direction of the unit to target, low power vs. standard power, and trigger level, etc.

    At first I used Winchester 9mm Nato Ranger brand to set the unit, since it has a more or less known velocity it helped me position everything quickly to get accurate readings and allowed me to dump a few crazy numbers (928 fps low and 2325 fps for a high in my second string!) from the first couple strings. After 30 shots I had adjusted it enough so it was recording every shot and i was not getting any abnormal readings. I fired 3 different handloads and 3 different factory loads.

    I really like the Labradar unit. It takes 3 minutes to set up or take down and put in the case. They are going to sell millions of these things. I think they will own the entire market.

    It ran fine off of 6 AA batteries, and seems like it has 3-4 more similar range trips left in those batteries. I did shut it off when I was not shooting (e.g. changing targets, cease fires, etc.). I thought about getting an extra USB battery but I will be holding off for now and just carryign a few sets of spare AA's.

    A few people were shooting near me, but none of their shots were collected.

    The carrying case is way above average in quality, even though made in China. I would prefer it was made in Canada or USA, but the high quality of the carry case construction is noteworthy.

    If I was a maker of any other chronograph unit I would sell the company ASAP, as this LabRadar device will only get better, smaller, thinner, and it seems pretty darn good so far. It is very light, small, and was easy for a non technical person like me to understand the unit's operation and data output in a very short amount of time.

    A few very minor things that I wish were different: 1) it really should talk to my iPhone and my PC via blue tooth or something wireless; 2) the carrying case should have one extra pocket or a little more room to hold the bench top stand; 3) the carrying case should have D rings for a shoulder strap. Admittedly, these are almost frivolous complaints.

    The 4 GB card looks like it will hold a vast amount of data, so I will not be getting a larger card anytime soon. The company literature seems to indicate the unit has a dormant bluetooth capability, and that future firmware updates are planned, so this will probably get better and better.

    Is it waterproof? Not sure, but I will let someone else figure that out. Does it work if there is snow or rain falling? Does it matter? I was hoping to test that from under a roof cover, but no rain for us today.

    I wish had I brought more ammo to test the unit further and play with the settings more. I hope to test it with .22 rimfire handguns soon.

    One warning, this unit will make you and all your friends want to test all your guns and all your factory ammo and handloads for speed so plan on spending a bunch of money on ammo and more time at the range after you get one of these.
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    Elgatodeacero
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2015
    • 1295

    We had a chance to to do more testing early this morning.

    The same unit was used at 50 yards with a .30-06 cal bolt action rifle, and also at 25 yards with a variety of .22 handgun's.

    The unit works great, and it really likes to have the muzzle of the gun only a few inches (3-4) from the unit, and it also likes to have the muzzle even or just an inch or so ahead of the unit.

    It is easy to outrun the unit, so you need to shoot, wait until the unit displays, and then shoot again. The whole thing takes about one second and you can see the display velocity and amber "go" light in your peripheral vision, so I did not feel like using the unit is a compromise on proper target shooting.

    It is also very important to monitor signal strength on the display and make sure you turn the unit to properly face your target and line of flight of the projectile. The signal strength did not seem to affect velocity readings at 25 yards, but I suspect orienting the unit carefully will be important at 100 yards.

    With the centerfire rifle, I tried a few shots with the unit even with the bolt and the barrel 20 inches or so ahead of unit, but it would not register. Then I moved the unit and rifle so the muzzle was 3-4 inches from the unit and only a few inches ahead of it. Everything worked great every shot.

    It does not seem to care whether you are on the left or the right of the unit.

    We also tried every .22 pistol we could lay hands on with various ammunition. With target/subsonic .22 rimfire from a handgun the muzzle must be fairly close and parallel with the unit to register.

    I think .22 rimfire rifles will also need to have the muzzle quite close, and that may be nearing the limits of the unit as I had it set on acoustic trigger sensitivity level 2 of 8 (1 being most sensitive and 8 being least) with the handguns.

    The rimfire revolvers seem to work best with the cylinder/barrel gap area even with the unit.

    The software in the unit is not very flexible, and it would be nice if you could change things after a string is done, or add to a string at a later time. One think I kept forgetting to do was to change the bullet weight in the software each time I changed bullet weight of ammo. I did some comparisons, and its seems like this error on my part did not affect velocity readings, it only messes up the energy formulas the software creates when you download data.

    The 6 lithium AA batteries are at 3/4 charge after two ranges trips and a total of about 500 rounds fired.

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    • #3
      Capybara
      CGSSA Coordinator
      CGN Contributor
      • Feb 2012
      • 15535

      Very cool unit, had not heard of this. Sounds like it defeats most of the issues with traditional chronographs. On the website, where it says, "Custom software for later PC analysis." is that external software you need for your PC or just that it outputs files that are PC compatible? If so, any word about Mac compatibility?

      Thanks for the heads up, I may need to buy one of these as I do not like the limitations with traditional chronos.
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      • #4
        Elgatodeacero
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2015
        • 1295

        Capy,

        The software's main output is a preconfigured Excel spreadsheet for each shot string with the velocity figures, kinetic energy, std deviation, etc. There is some other stuff I dont really understand yet.

        The data stores on an SD card, and you just copy the file from the card to your PC and the files open in ExceL.

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        • #5
          boomer135
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 580

          I saw that it can track velocities up to 100yards. Any thoughts on your use with tracking velocities at distance?

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          • #6
            GILMORE619
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 560

            Is this Doppler radar? It's still on the pricey side of things but I'm sure over time it will become cheaper.
            Originally posted by elSquid
            Like Yoda said: "Buy. Or buy not. There is no whine."



            -- Michael
            Originally posted by Pardini
            Obviously, they just threw that shat out there for Calgunners to proof read and expose the loopholes. Now that we have done our part, they will go back and tighten it up and make our fruking airtight.

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            • #7
              Capybara
              CGSSA Coordinator
              CGN Contributor
              • Feb 2012
              • 15535

              Yes, it is Doppler Radar, that's kind of what makes it so intriguing. I don't think the price is unreasonable considering what it is. It seems to completely eliminate almost every problem with chronographs and it does things that chronographs cannot. I will be buying one eventually to test my reloads.
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                GILMORE619
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 560

                The Doppler radar is very intriguing. Being able to track velocities to a hundred yards would be awesome. I had a friend that was shooting out at a BLM spot and someone had a Doppler radar. When he told me about it I thought he was joking until I read up about it. I have a pro chrono with wireless link that feeds all of the shot info to my iPad. Sunlight can be an issue and I actually hit the top plastic fin with a 500 mag round. 560$ at midway isn't that bad of a price.
                Originally posted by elSquid
                Like Yoda said: "Buy. Or buy not. There is no whine."



                -- Michael
                Originally posted by Pardini
                Obviously, they just threw that shat out there for Calgunners to proof read and expose the loopholes. Now that we have done our part, they will go back and tighten it up and make our fruking airtight.

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                • #9
                  Elgatodeacero
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 1295

                  Boomer, i have tracked .22 short and .22 long rifle out to 25 yards, and .30-06 to 50 yards.

                  I hope to test it more in next couple weeks.

                  The price seems very good to me since an Oehler is about 700 and low end stuff like Shooting Chrony is 99 bucks, and does not work well.

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                  • #10
                    Lead Waster
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 16650

                    I bought the Magnetospeed months ago, it's still in the box.

                    The problem being that if you don't have a pistol with a rail, you can't test on that pistol.

                    I plan to use it this week to test some 9mm loads. Luckily my PPQ has a rail. I wanted to test my .45 loads, but my 1911 does NOT have a rail. I could waste 10 bucks and rent a railed 1911 at the range I suppose.

                    I mean unless I have a ransom rest (I don't) to strap the gun and sensor to. But then ... renting a railed 1911 is cheaper.
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                    • #11
                      Elgatodeacero
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 1295

                      I have had a chance to measure a lot of shots, and I wanted to give a closing report on the Labradar.

                      I successfully measured target grade/subsonic .22 rimfire from a 20 inch barrel. These are not loud, so I did put sensitivity all the way to 1, and I had to keep the muzzle very close (an inch or two) to the unit and inline or an inch behind unit to track every SK standard plus shot and every CCI Std Velocity shot. But it worked, and these are very quiet rounds from a rifle.

                      My review is that the Labradar is a great product and is the king of such devices. It is great and works great. Everyone should have one. Go buy one now and you will be happy with it.

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                      • #12
                        Carcassonne
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 4897

                        Originally posted by GILMORE619
                        The Doppler radar is very intriguing. Being able to track velocities to a hundred yards would be awesome. I had a friend that was shooting out at a BLM spot and someone had a Doppler radar. When he told me about it I thought he was joking until I read up about it. I have a pro chrono with wireless link that feeds all of the shot info to my iPad. Sunlight can be an issue and I actually hit the top plastic fin with a 500 mag round. 560$ at midway isn't that bad of a price.
                        An Oehler 35P Chronograph is $595. I bought one about 30 years ago. I would rather have the Lab Radar because it works in low light, and takes up very little space.





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                        • #13
                          Carcassonne
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 4897

                          Originally posted by TKM
                          Is that the black lab or the golden lab?

                          I've heard that the golden lab doesn't know anything about trucks.
                          There are 4 different types of labs. See attached picture.


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                          I am being held hostage in a giant insane asylum called Earth.

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                          • #14
                            scamp62
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 1009

                            has anybody tried any .17 caliber ?

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                            • #15
                              Elgatodeacero
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 1295

                              i do not know anyone with a .17 cal firearm, so I have not been able to test this small of a bullet.

                              I would email the company- they have gotten much better at responding to emails and technical questions.

                              This product is a real winner, easy to use, quick to set up, good data output.

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