anyone got anyrecipes for 9mm rifle?

[rumplestilskinfish]

i'm building a 9mm carbine. I was wondering if anyone had worked up a load for a 9mm carbine. in order to take advantage of the longer barrel and maybe better accuracy .

tks jagerdog. found the data in 48th lyman page 260 261

[ThatFishGuy]

You can use some slower burning powders to take advantage of the barrel length. You just can't push them THAT much harder because of the blowback mechanism. If it unlocks before the pressures drop, you're in trouble. I had a DI 9mm upper before, and I was running what are basically 9mm Major loads. Essentially running at 357mag ballistics. Good times. Maybe look at a powder like Longshot which gives good velocity without excessive pressure spikes

[Eljay]

I'd treat it more like developing a rifle load - do a ladder at .1gr intervals and see what groups best in YOUR gun.

[JagerDog]

Might try to find some Lyman data. Lyman was the only data I could find specific to 45 ACP carbine (Marlin Camp 45).

Slower powders will give the most advantage. In the order of 200 fps over pistol barrels

[hambam105]

Hodgdon, Number 27 Data Manual, Page, PISTOL 8.62

Bullseye, 4.9, 125 GR. cast bullet, 1,165 fps, DIA .355", C.O.L. 1.150", 32,100 PSI.

Blue Dot, 6.2 , 147 GR. XTP, 1,050 fps, DIA .355", C.O.L. 1.140", 30,200 PSI.

[rumplestilskinfish]

i have titegroup that should be comparable. but it is a fast powder

[rumplestilskinfish]

yup just checked lyman 48th and i found carbine loads. looks like i wanna get me some "power pistol" powder or aa #7

tks jagerdog

[Win231]

I actually have a loading manual that lists handloads for handgun-caliber carbines - "Accurate #2 Manual." It's an old one - copyrighted in 2000.

Naturally, it only has loads using their powder. I've used it extensively for my Uzi. It has loads for bullets from 90 gr. to 147 gr. I mainly use the 124 gr. with AA#5 powder. Min Load: 5.9 gr. AA#5. Max Load: 6.5 gr. AA#5. Great 100-yd. accuracy & perfect functioning.

You can also use any data for pistol but I'd load it toward max for a rifle barrel & never use light loads. The bullet has to clear a 16" barrel & a light load can cause a bullet to be stuck in the barrel - especially with jacketed bullets.

[Cheep]

Look into the +P loads and use the slower powders.

[rg1]

Just shoot the same loads that you shoot in your pistol. Much easier than trying to develop 2 different loads and keeping them separate. Expect only about 200 fps more in a 16" carbine. You'll be surprised at the accuracy improvement just from having a stock and longer sight radius. Some do try to get a touch more velocity by shooting light weight bullets and slow powders for 9MM. I like 124 gr. bullets in mine with Unique powder.

[rumplestilskinfish]

I'm building a uzi semi auto with a 10.5 and a 16 barrel

[ptmn]

I agree with Rg1, I use the best 9mm pistol load I have with my 9mm AR-15. My AR has the old A1 upper that has the flip aperture for standard and long range shooting.

If I use the long range aperture and hold center mass on a military E-type silhouette, I get consistent hits as far as 225 yards using my 9mm AR. That's not great shooting, considering it is a rifle and an E-type is a pretty big target, but it does speak for the 9mm 124gr round...although I imagine it doesn't have all that much ummmph left at that distance.

My load is safe in my guns, but I make no claim for anyone else's, so start low and work up. I use Berrys 124gr plated round nose, Win small pistol primer, 4.2gr W231, mixed cases, seated to 1.135"

This same load I use in all my pistols. I also use 6.8 gr Blue Dot with the 9mm 124gr, but I've never tried this load in my rifle. Since I use plated bullets, I don't want to try a blue dot load in my rifle due to the fact there is a 1200 fps limit on the bullet.

Just a wild guess, but my W231 loads are probably just below 1200 fps in my AR. Next time I'm at the range, I'll chrono my W231 load out of the AR.

[CGT80]

Bear Creek 124 TC FP moly coated bullet over 4.2 grains of HP-38 (same as 231), seated to 1.115". For the 9mm pistols, I like to run 4.0 grains of powder but I had a few problems with the AR9 locking open after the last round, so I bumped the load up. My mom's XD9 requires a shorter seating depth, so I load my other light 9mm loads to function in her gun as well.

For my dad's open gun, I run 5.3 grains of hp38 under a 115 moly coated bullet. It is a hot load that may be off the charts, but it needs the gas and is built for the hot loads. A slower powder would be better, but he doesn't shoot a lot and already had plenty of hp-38 on hand since it worked for his 45 1911 and my mom's 9mm. The hot 9mm loads worked fine in my ar9, but the recoil is noticeably higher and getting back on target is slower.

My AR9 has a 16" barrel and a cmore red dot. It is quick to shoot and of course is easier to use for shooting 50+ yards than a pistol. It has more force when hitting steel than the same ammo from a 4" pistol or even my light 40 cal loads from my 4" pistol. Some people say the AR9 likes hotter loads, but mine functions fine on light loads and it keeps it simple with pistols in the picture. It is plenty accurate enough to shoot a dueling tree at 75 yards, but I have not shot paper with it to see how it groups.

[rumplestilskinfish]

I'm trying to duplicate /simulate. 22lr to about 100 yards from a 10/22. So when the 22 gets scarce again Ive got my 9

[frt96]

Hs-6... Carbines love it!