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  • gsc3zny
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 573

    Problem with my AR

    First, its not an 80%, it was fully machined. yes, I assembled it using standard LPK and buffer, etc. I purchased a pre assembled upper, including BCG. Now for the problem. It feeds and fires factory ammo, just fine. fires and ejects just fine. My own reloads are the problem. I have them at 2.20"oal using 16 grains of IMR 4227, there are a couple of other recipes with the same problem The problem is when I charge the gun, the round goes in the BCG just fine, but when i pull the trigger, it just clicks, then I cant eject the round or pull back the charging handle. I have to take the lower off, and pry back the BCG, then the round ejects. Does the way I'm describing it make sense?
  • #2
    maxx03
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 1420

    Sounds like a sizing, headspace issue. Have you put the resized cases in a case gauge?

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    • #3
      baih777
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jul 2011
      • 5680

      Originally posted by maxx03
      Sounds like a sizing, headspace issue. Have you put the resized cases in a case gauge?
      ^^^^^ I doubt the round is going in all the way because the case is not sized correctly.
      Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
      I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
      I'm Back.

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      • #4
        gsc3zny
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2011
        • 573

        Originally posted by baih777
        ^^^^^ I doubt the round is going in all the way because the case is not sized correctly.
        Here is my process
        lube/decap/resize first
        Wet tumble
        Trim/chamfer/deburr
        Load
        Using Lee Dies
        using either Winchester or CCI SRP

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        • #5
          bender152
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2006
          • 4237

          Same thing happened to me when I failed to resize my brass properly. I didn't have the die set deep enough and because of that, I was not bumping the shoulder back far enough.

          OP, do you have a case gauge to test your resized cases?

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          • #6
            kkritter
            Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 142

            I had the exact same problem. I also had a Mossberb MVP that wouldn't chamber my reloads either. Used a Hornady .308 die. Tried the RCBS small base die, no help. Rounds wouldn't chamber or get stuck in the LR308 and I couldn't close the bolt on the Mossberg. I was playing around with the Mossberg and brass casings one night and measured brass that would chamber and brass that wouldn't and discovered the shoulder measurements were slightly different. Using a .223 shell holder with the brass sitting on top of it, I set up a Redding trim die to just touch the shoulder of the brass. Then adjusted it to just barely bump the shoulder, not more than a thousandth or 2. Then tried to chamber the brass. That's all it took for both the Mossberg and LR308. I bumped 100 pieces of already reloaded rounds that I couldn't close the bolt on and all fired flawlessly. I don't know if the chambers in the 2 rifles are too tight or both .308 dies are out of specs but that solved the problem for me. And yes, when resizing the brass I cammed over on the die, almost to the point I was afraid the die might break trying to get it to work.

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            • #7
              jericho89
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 1129

              Had the same problem and it was because the gun was not going into full battery. It would be close and I found out that the chamber was too tight (the one I was dealing with would do that with all ammo). As stated above you have a sizing issue. Either your rounds are out of spec or you have a tight chamber that does not allow for much variation from factory ammo. Make up a dummy round with no powder and primer and try to cycle your gun. I would just about guarantee you that you will have to pry the round out. Check the case for where it is catching (you should see the scratching on the case). It will let you know if you are tight near the base, center, or neck. The one I was dealing with was near the base and the chamber needed to be reamed to spec.

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              • #8
                gsc3zny
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2011
                • 573

                Originally posted by bender152
                Same thing happened to me when I failed to resize my brass properly. I didn't have the die set deep enough and because of that, I was not bumping the shoulder back far enough.

                OP, do you have a case gauge to test your resized cases?
                I have a case length guage where you drop the round in to check length. Is that what you mean?

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                • #9
                  jericho89
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 1129

                  That is what he was referring to. Drop one in and see if you are too long. I did the same thing and if it passes that test then you need to thing too wide.

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                  • #10
                    Metal God
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 1839

                    When you pull the two half's apart . Is the BCG sticking out from the back of the upper just a tad or is it flush with the back of the upper ?
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                    allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

                    Anyone else find it sad that those who preach tolerance CAN'T allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that they do not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.

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                    • #11
                      xfer42
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 709

                      This would happen on 1 out of 10 .223 rounds that came out of my Lee Loadmaster and RCBS Small Base die. The shell plate couldnt mash the case in far enough and the case gauge would show that the shoulder wasnt bumped far enough back. Using the same die on my XL650, and I can clearly see the difference with the gauge (plus I can eject all rounds fired or not).

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                      • #12
                        gsc3zny
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 573

                        Originally posted by bender152
                        Same thing happened to me when I failed to resize my brass properly. I didn't have the die set deep enough and because of that, I was not bumping the shoulder back far enough.

                        OP, do you have a case gauge to test your resized cases?
                        I install the die until the base hits the shell holder, then run it up, removing the primer and resizing it

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                        • #13
                          h.charlie
                          Member
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 497

                          Any strike mark on the primer? Or any other signs in the case after you get them out?

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                          • #14
                            gsc3zny
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 573

                            Originally posted by Metal God
                            When you pull the two half's apart . Is the BCG sticking out from the back of the upper just a tad or is it flush with the back of the upper ?
                            Bcg sticking out about 1/8 inch

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                            • #15
                              gsc3zny
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 573

                              Originally posted by h.charlie
                              Any strike mark on the primer? Or any other signs in the case after you get them out?
                              No, no marks whatsoever

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