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  • level5bear
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 36

    Basic Aerodynamic Theory- OTM vs Polymer tipped

    I promised in another thread to go in and speak with one of my professors in the Aerospace Engineering Department at SDSU regarding the aerodynamics of OTM and polymer tipped bullets. Some of the faculty directed me to Dr. Nagy Nossier, who oversees the graduate research into hypersonic and supersonic flow at the university. This is a short summary of his input, as well as what I have learned from the limited empirical data available to me.

    To better understand how the open tip of OTM bullets affect aerodynamics, I would like to first direct your attention to FIGURE 1 below, which is a simple diagram of the shock waves experienced by a conventionally shaped spire-tip bullet. In this type of bullet, the air directly strikes the sharpened tip of the bullet and produces what is known as an "oblique shock wave" that is attached to the very tip of the projectile. The oblique shock wave slows the oncoming flow, creating drag and deflecting the surrounding flow away from the tip. However, in the case of a supersonic projectile, the flow remains above Mach 1. As it travels around the bullet, it produces a series of "expansion waves" that accelerate the fluid flow and direct it around the body of the projectile. If the flow is still attached, it then produces another oblique wave at the tail of the bullet, which once again slows the fluid flow surrounding the bullet and adds drag.

    EDIT: There is an error in the paragraph above and drawings below. The aft shock actually occurs behind the bullet where the flow is turned in on itself by the wake, and does not appear to require the flow to remain attached. For more details and a shadowgram showing the phenomena, see post #35.



    The OTM bullet, on the other hand, is shown in FIGURE 2. The shockwaves surrounding the body and tail of the bullet are similar, but the tip shows a significant variance. The open tip of the bullet creates a pressure riser immediately in front of it, pushing the formation of the shockwave away from the tip itself. It essentially acts like a blunt nose, creating a detached normal shockwave that slows the air around the tip to subsonic speeds. Increasing the meplat diameter increases this effect.



    So, you may ask, what are the expected consequences of the above? They are as follows:

    1. The detached shockwave of the OTM bullet creates increased aerodynamic drag, as the massive deceleration of the the supersonic flow to subsonic dissipates kinetic energy. This is empirically confirmed by the fact that spire-pointed bullets frequently show higher ballistic coefficients than equivalent OTM counterparts.

    2. The attached shockwave of the polymer tipped bullet has a tendency to destabilize the projectile, creating perturbations as the supersonic flow makes direct contact with the bullet nose.

    3. The problem in #2 is further exacerbated by the fact that the polymer tip moves the center of pressure further forward than the shift it induces in center of gravity.

    4. The subsonic flow at the tip of the OTM bullet, on the other hand, protects the stability of the bullet by moving the shockwave away from the tip of the bullet itself.

    5. Thus, you would expect OTM bullets to be more stable for a a given cross section, as well as being more stable for a given ballistic coefficient. I do have an empirical study I can site showing that real-world OTM bullets consistently are more stable than would be expected for an equivalent spire tipped bullet.

    6. However, the greater instability of the spire-tipped projectile can be countered by increased twist rate, so the practical impact of the stability reduction is dependent upon the individual firearm being used.

    CONCLUSIONS:

    1. If the goal is maximum downrange energy retention, and stability is not a limiting factor, the spire tipped bullet offers more potential for a given bullet weight and length.

    2. However, if projectile stability is the limiting factor in terms of bullet cross section, then the OTM bullet offers better aerodynamic performance by allowing the same gun to fire a longer projectile while maintaining bullet stability.

    3. If your goal is maximum precision at moderate ranges, the OTM bullet likely offers some advantages in terms of consistency due to the stability concerns cited above. This factor is enhanced by the fact that the polymer tip introduces another possible source of manufacturing variance.

    4. If your needs, on the other hand, require minimized bullet drop and wind drift above pure mechanical precision, the polymer tipped bullets may be more accurate in real world conditions.

    5. As the meplat diameter increases, the effects noted above likewise increase. Thus, for consistent performance, the meplat diameter should be as similar as possible from projectile to projectile.
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    Last edited by level5bear; 03-28-2015, 1:49 AM. Reason: Picture clarity
  • #2
    joelogic
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2008
    • 6593

    Interesting info. What's up with Sierra's new Tipped MatchKing then?
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    • #3
      level5bear
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2015
      • 36

      I think their marketing is consistent with what I wrote. It most likely has lower stability than their open tip bullets with equivalent ballistic coefficients, but with a 1x7" barrel stability is not a limiting factor in most rifles.

      Since length and bullet weight are the limiting factor in most 5.55 rifles, the polymer tip offers improved aerodynamic drag properties. Perhaps the improved ballistic coefficient, and associated downrange velocity, outweighs the slight consistency advantages of the OTM in real world conditions.
      Last edited by level5bear; 03-25-2015, 3:19 PM.

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      • #4
        highpower790
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2013
        • 3481

        That did it...cheap amaxs,I new I couldn't trust them!I do find the info above interesting and will share with fellow shooters,thanks for the time invested!
        Keep it simple!

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        • #5
          level5bear
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2015
          • 36

          No problem at all, glad you enjoyed it.

          I want to point out that I am not trying to say one type of bullet is necessarily more accurate than the other.

          We can't use this theory to say for sure which one will be more accurate than the other in real world conditions, since BC, bullet consistency, and stability each play a factor. Its dependent upon the system as a whole from the rifle used to atmospheric conditions. I am sure there are cases where slight changes in stability and consistency have less impact than the improved BC experienced by the polymer tipped projectiles, and vice versa.

          As it stands right now, I would probably choose the OTM for printing small groups, on calm days, at more moderate ranges. I would likewise choose the spire tipped rounds in conditions where velocity loss is a greater factor in performance. However, given the opportunity, the best course of action is simply to print groups in as many different conditions as possible and observe the results.
          Last edited by level5bear; 03-25-2015, 3:33 PM.

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          • #6
            highpower790
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2013
            • 3481

            Originally posted by level5bear
            No problem at all, glad you enjoyed it.

            I want to point out that I am not trying to say one type of bullet is necessarily more accurate than the other.

            We can't use this theory to say for sure which one will be more accurate than the other in real world conditions, since both BC and bullet consistency play a factor. Its dependent upon the system as a whole from the rifle used to atmospheric conditions. I am sure there are cases where slight changes in consistency have less impact than the improved BC experienced by the polymer tipped projectiles, and vice versa.

            As it stands right now, I would probably choose the OTM for calm days at more moderate ranges, and the spire tipped rounds in conditions where velocity loss is a greater factor in performance. However, given the opportunity, the best course of action is simply to print groups in as many different conditions as possible and observe the results.
            I do find from my personal experiences shooting that the amax out performs a smk or similar.This happens when I count how much elevation and windage it takes to get back to mechanical zero.
            Keep it simple!

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            • #7
              level5bear
              Junior Member
              • Feb 2015
              • 36

              Awesome! That stands as further confirmation that the theory matches reality.

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              • #8
                vliberatore
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Dec 2011
                • 10055

                Originally posted by highpower790
                I do find from my personal experiences shooting that the amax out performs a smk or similar.This happens when I count how much elevation and windage it takes to get back to mechanical zero.
                I would imagine that your results would vary the farther out you are shooting due to the "instability" of the tipped bullets compared to an OTM projectile.

                Level5bear, please correct me if you think otherwise.
                Originally posted by fighterpilot562
                Damn it man! We could have got drunk, called a taxi and drop by Kest house with a mega phone.

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                • #9
                  highpower790
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 3481

                  Originally posted by vliberatore
                  I would imagine that your results would vary the farther out you are shooting due to the "instability" of the tipped bullets compared to an OTM projectile.

                  Level5bear, please correct me if you think otherwise.
                  A couple months ago I shot the 80gr amax out to 800yds on a long range target with no negative effect.`96/100
                  This week ill be shooting the 82gr berger out to 600,but that's not much to brag about.Later in the year I expect to have an order of 80gr Berger vlds come in,ll test them against the amax out to a 1000yds,there might be a couple clicks difference!
                  Keep it simple!

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                  • #10
                    level5bear
                    Junior Member
                    • Feb 2015
                    • 36

                    Originally posted by vliberatore
                    I would imagine that your results would vary the farther out you are shooting due to the "instability" of the tipped bullets compared to an OTM projectile.

                    Level5bear, please correct me if you think otherwise.
                    I am not sure how distance effects stability. Both projectiles are aerodynamically unstable and rely upon gyroscope forces to stay pointed in the correct direction. On one hand, as bullet speed drops, the aerodynamic forces are reduced while gyroscopic forces remain relatively constant, which implies greater stability at extended ranges than at the muzzle. On the other hand, at greater ranges the bullet travels at a greater angle of attack, which exacerbates its natural aerodynamic instability. I cannot say which of the two effects is predominate.

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                    • #11
                      AeroEngi
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 2887

                      Thank you for that great explanation level5bear! If polymer tip projectiles are essentially better for longer range shooting, then why are OTM projectiles so popular? I would imagine using polymer tip projectiles with a faster twist barrel would minimize their instability issues and give you better long range performance.

                      Also, what causes the aft shockwave to be generated? From what I remember, turning the flow into itself generates a shockwave and turning the flow away from itself generates an expansion fan. On the aft end of the projectile, the flow is being turned away from itself. Or maybe I'm wrong?

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                      • #12
                        level5bear
                        Junior Member
                        • Feb 2015
                        • 36

                        Thank you for the comments, AeroEngi!

                        I cannot say why OTM projectiles are so popular, but if I were to make a conjecture I would think it is partly due to the traditional nature of shooting sports.

                        I know that when the SMK came onto the market it was head and shoulders above the competition. My understanding is that the increased performance of the SMK was because their competitors used a tip-first jacketing process, while Sierra's base-first process could more precisely control the jacket thickness. I believe the open tip was merely a by byproduct of the base-first manufacturing, and not a deliberate design feature. Perhaps once something has won a lot of competitions people aren't eager to change for relatively marginal benefits? As posted above, sierra has released a polymer tipped match king, so I wonder if we are going to begin seeing an increase in polymer tipped bullets over time.

                        You are absolutely correct about the aft shockwave, that is a mistake on my part. Dr Nossier and I primarily discussed the shockwaves at the tip of the bullet and how they are effected by the open tip, with some limited discussion of the sides. I added the aft shockwave because I am accustomed to seeing them on streamlined bodies (like trailing edges on wings) and wanted to complete the picture of what was happening to the flow around the bullet. Thank you for correcting me, and I will edit the original post to reflect the correction.
                        Last edited by level5bear; 03-25-2015, 8:39 PM.

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                        • #13
                          FourT6and2
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 1928

                          Black Hills has mentioned that the TMK is better for longer ranges compared to the OTM, regarding their 77gr loads. And that was also mirrored by the retailer I purchased from. I have both kinds. Haven't shot the TMK yet though. And I'm sort of stuck with 100-200 yard ranges at the moment. So not sure the TMK would have any benefit right now.
                          Last edited by FourT6and2; 03-25-2015, 10:21 PM.

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                          • #14
                            OpenSightsOnly
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 1557

                            For target bullets, SMKs are good since they are jump insensitive, tangent ogive. For 80 SMK, I jump it 0.025" out of a 7 twist for 3,500 rounds. I even chased the throat in order to maintain that 0.025" jump. Did not matter.

                            For HPBTs, as an example, Bergers are good. I guess you are paying for the convenience of loading them straight from the box as opposed to sorting them based on weight and length, measured from ogive to base, of course. The meplat are also consistent but there are those who meplat-sort, or trim and point in order to force-standardize the meplat. I think the plastic cone tip is a way to control meplat variance.

                            About 1.5 MOA elevation difference between Berger 80 VLD and 80 SMK. I was jumping the 80 VLDs but ran out of bullets in order to figure out the range of the jump envelope. Next time. Amax vs SMK, Amax requires less elevation and affordable than Berger. Love the 75 gr Amax out of a 7 twist!
                            Last edited by OpenSightsOnly; 03-25-2015, 10:30 PM. Reason: grammar

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                            • #15
                              Shakey
                              Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 412

                              level5bear - do you have any insight into what makes "transsonic stable" bullets stable? I remember reading something about the boat tail design being an important factor...
                              Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                              I love it when all my flyers land close to each other.

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