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  • JoshuaS
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 1617

    An affordable trimmer?

    Okay after a hiatus from reloading, I finally got some powder. I started by loading some 200 cases of Herters I recently shot. Happy to find that my Hornady seating die was still set perfectly and everything was swimmingly. Rather than dig our a few hundred more of the Herters I have, I tumbled and went to reload a hundred cases that had been in my plastic ammo boxes from my last reloaded ammo session at the range.

    Now maximum overal length is 1.59". The previous 200 were 1.575". And that fits in what I remember having it before. But I always measure the first of every 50, and a few random ones, with the caliper (and use my cylinder from my Vaquero as a "gauge" for the rest). First of the mixed brass.. it was 1.64" Well I readjust, get it does to 1.57, next is 1.52" and the next is above 1.6 again

    After this I measure all the cases. They varied in length by a full .01", with a couple being above the maximum case length for .357. From what I have read I had thought straight wall pistol ammo would not likely need to be trimmed. In anycase, I tossed the excesively long ones and proceeded with the rest, and same issue. Looked up information and it fit wit my experience, within a certain range you can bell/crimp them without readjustment, but beyond that you may fail to crimp or crimp too much, fail to bell, etc

    I ended up adjusting it to put just short of an excessive crimp on the longest case, and that ends up just barely crimping the shortest, and after that they all came out the same overall length (1.58")

    My theory was that the crimping was preventing the bullet from seating all the way on the longer cases (the action on the press is cammed if that makes a difference), and that excessive/early crimping was from setting it using a shorter case.

    Rather than sort through all my cases, I thought I might want to just get a trimmer. But the Hornady one was super expensive. I want to do it without taking too much time though.

    Assuming I am right about the problem (and if you think I am wrong, please tell me... I did clean the die out if you are thinking that), what is a good trimmer, for both speed and price? Budget would be as affordable as possible, but sub $100
  • #2
    ducky_0811
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 759

    The Lee hand trimmers are definitely the cheapest, and they work with some speed once you get the groove down. For something a bit more heavy duty a lathe style trimmer, rcbs, lyman, wilson, redding etc will also work fairly fast once you're used to them.
    Another option is a trim die with built in trimmer, I don't have experience with one but I THINK Lee makes one, may be a good option in a turret press.

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    • #3
      stevec223
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 1620

      What I would probably do is buy a Lee Factory Crimp Die and use the Hornady die to just seat to legnth.. Sort the brass by length,,, and reload in groups... Adjust the FCD per group as needed... Just my .02... Cheers...

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      • #4
        spamsucker
        Banned
        • Jun 2012
        • 701

        RCBS Pro-trim2. about 100 bucks but good stuff.

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        • #5
          sunnysmarine
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
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          • Aug 2013
          • 576

          What stevec223 said, loading in like length, or with the lee factory crimp die which is very forgiving about length, or just send me the to long brass!
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          • #6
            8mmFMJ
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2011
            • 7405

            Lee trimmer setup seen here

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            • #7
              drkphibr
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 2460

              Affordable is a relative term.

              When first starting out reloading, affordable equated to cheapest to me as all the costs of everything needed (or wanted) quickly added up.

              Over time (and after my wallet recovered a bit), my definition of affordable changed. Cheapest ended up translating into slowest, most cumbersome for me. Not to mention a bit of frustration as well as sore hands.

              The Lee trimmers (manual and drill bit versions) work well, but in volume can be challenging. Over time I looked for alternative solutions as time became more valuable to me and a faster, more simple trimming process became more important to me.

              The three solutions that stand out for me are:

              1. WFT
              2. CTS
              3. SJ Sinclair

              All three are similar in concept and headspace off the neck (but you do need a reference casing to set each up to your desired cut length - Lee comes in handy for this or you can trim/measure until desired length reached). A cutter that essentially sits in your drill (3/8" unless you are using the WFT II which is 1/2" bit). Cost varies among all three, ranging from $30-$100 or more (WFT II with interchangeable heads, very cool).

              The benefit of the Lee/drill method was the brass was locked (until is rotates out all too often) so you could perform all three tasks at one time of:

              1. Trim
              2. Chamfer
              3. Debur

              and I LOVE the Lee chamfer/debur tool. Talk about simplicity and elegance perfected at the most amazing cost! Engineering at its best IMO.

              With the other three solutions, the same three operations were/are accomplished by changing the bit to a trimmer, chamfer and debur and then batching the brass. Still three steps.

              I didn't include the new Lee Deluxe trimmer as a cutter. I tried it and it's a bit too quirky for me as a reliable trimmer...not as consistent as the drill bit, dedicated cutter solutions.

              But, the Lee Deluxe Trimmer has proven to be an interesting solution for me when it comes to chamfer and deburring. Combining what was two individual processes/steps into one.

              So now, my rifle brass prep process for trim/chamfer/debur is now:

              1. Trim/cut with dedicated cutter in drill
              2. Lee Deluxe Trimmer to do chamfer/debur in one step

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              • #8
                Rocksniper
                Junior Member
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2010
                • 42

                I use Lee Precision and Lyman EZEE trim hand trimmers. Both are affordable at around $20 for the kit. (Shell holder, pilot, cutter)

                I have a RCBS trim pro also, but prefer to use the case prep center trimmer adapter setup (below) instead as I can trim, chamfer, deburr, and Clean primer pockets all on one station.

                Adapter: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251840589141...84.m1555.l2649
                Last edited by Rocksniper; 03-12-2015, 4:41 PM.

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                • #9
                  JoshuaS
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 1617

                  Thanks for the suggestions!

                  I do plan on reloading rifle, so investing in a trimmer is not just for this. Otherwise a crimp only die might work at a lower cost.

                  The RCBS Pro-trim looks better to me than the similar Hornady product (if only because the cam lock on the Hornady versus the handle on the RCBS)

                  The lee quick trim seems like a winner though for the price.

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                  • #10
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                    • Dec 2006
                    • 44093

                    I'd vote for the Lee due to it's price point.
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                    • #11
                      sl0re10
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 7242

                      deburr.... until the case is the right length.

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                      • #12
                        followingc
                        Member
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 146

                        I realize this exceeds your price point but I've been really happy with my Frankford Arsenal Platinum Series Case Prep and Trim Center.



                        Frankford Arsenal’s Case Trim & Prep Center accurately trims brass in seconds. An innovative Case Holder with Adjustable Collet and Bushing System indexes the case shoulder and can be set to precisely trim brass to the exact desired case length. Once the case holder is adjusted simply insert brass into the case holder as a collet aligns the case squarely with the hi-speed cutter. As the case mouth contacts the cutter it is trimmed until the case shoulder stops on an internal bushing. A series of three collets and five bushings (all included) accommodate any shouldered case from 17Rem-460Wby. In addition to the cutter, the station operates up to three additional tools at the same time. Inside and outside chamfer tools and primer pocket cleaners are included to fully prepare cases for loading. The heavy duty motor and drivetrain are optimized for durability and performance. Cutters and Chamfer tools are constructed of high quality hardened steel. A convenient built in storage box holds spare collets, bushings and tools. Patent Pending   • Patent Pending Adjustable Collet System works with all cases from 17 Remington to 460 Weatherby (Cases must have a shoulder) • Indexes cases on the shoulder for speed and precision • Makes Trimming and Chamfering Cases fast and easy with no need for shell holders • VLD Inside Chamfering Tool makes loading easier and prevents damage to bullets • Outside Chamfer Tool, Large and Small Primer Pocket Cleaning tools included • 3 Output shafts accept all case trimming accessories with 8-32 threads • Aluminum and Steel construction for extreme durability and long life • Ultra-Hard HSS Cutters stay sharp for thousands of rounds to make trimming quick and easy • Can be operated in a variety of positions with included adjustable stand and non-skid feet • Built-in storage box holds extra tools and keeps everything ready and organized


                        It's about $160 at Graf's (OOS right now) but it covers your bases for trimming as well as a complete brass prep center. I use it to trim, debur, chamfer, remove crimped primer pockets, clean pockets, and remove residue from inside with a brass brush. It comes with collets for a wide variety of calibers (I've used it mainly for 223, 30-06 and 308). I'm impressed with the power of the motor--quality seems quite good.

                        FWIW, I started out with a hand-cranked Lee Deluxe Quick Trim and hated it. Maybe I received a bad one but it took about 100 turns to get my 223 in spec and adjustability of the cutter was very limited. After 50 cases my arm was pumped. I returned it and bought the FA.

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                        • #13
                          kmr007
                          Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 494

                          If you have a press to mount this then I would suggest the Lee Deluxe Quick Trim Case Trimmer. It not only trims to size but it also deburrs and chamfers at the same time.


                          Just add the correct caliber die:


                          All this for around $40 plus shipping.
                          BCM*RIA*M&P

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                          • #14
                            8mmFMJ
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 7405

                            Originally posted by followingc
                            I realize this exceeds your price point but I've been really happy with my Frankford Arsenal Platinum Series Case Prep and Trim Center.



                            Frankford Arsenal’s Case Trim & Prep Center accurately trims brass in seconds. An innovative Case Holder with Adjustable Collet and Bushing System indexes the case shoulder and can be set to precisely trim brass to the exact desired case length. Once the case holder is adjusted simply insert brass into the case holder as a collet aligns the case squarely with the hi-speed cutter. As the case mouth contacts the cutter it is trimmed until the case shoulder stops on an internal bushing. A series of three collets and five bushings (all included) accommodate any shouldered case from 17Rem-460Wby. In addition to the cutter, the station operates up to three additional tools at the same time. Inside and outside chamfer tools and primer pocket cleaners are included to fully prepare cases for loading. The heavy duty motor and drivetrain are optimized for durability and performance. Cutters and Chamfer tools are constructed of high quality hardened steel. A convenient built in storage box holds spare collets, bushings and tools. Patent Pending   • Patent Pending Adjustable Collet System works with all cases from 17 Remington to 460 Weatherby (Cases must have a shoulder) • Indexes cases on the shoulder for speed and precision • Makes Trimming and Chamfering Cases fast and easy with no need for shell holders • VLD Inside Chamfering Tool makes loading easier and prevents damage to bullets • Outside Chamfer Tool, Large and Small Primer Pocket Cleaning tools included • 3 Output shafts accept all case trimming accessories with 8-32 threads • Aluminum and Steel construction for extreme durability and long life • Ultra-Hard HSS Cutters stay sharp for thousands of rounds to make trimming quick and easy • Can be operated in a variety of positions with included adjustable stand and non-skid feet • Built-in storage box holds extra tools and keeps everything ready and organized


                            It's about $160 at Graf's (OOS right now) but it covers your bases for trimming as well as a complete brass prep center. I use it to trim, debur, chamfer, remove crimped primer pockets, clean pockets, and remove residue from inside with a brass brush. It comes with collets for a wide variety of calibers (I've used it mainly for 223, 30-06 and 308). I'm impressed with the power of the motor--quality seems quite good.

                            FWIW, I started out with a hand-cranked Lee Deluxe Quick Trim and hated it. Maybe I received a bad one but it took about 100 turns to get my 223 in spec and adjustability of the cutter was very limited. After 50 cases my arm was pumped. I returned it and bought the FA.
                            oh man. oooooh man why u do dat to me

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                            • #15
                              JoshuaS
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 1617

                              Originally posted by kmr007
                              If you have a press to mount this then I would suggest the Lee Deluxe Quick Trim Case Trimmer. It not only trims to size but it also deburrs and chamfers at the same time.


                              Just add the correct caliber die:


                              All this for around $40 plus shipping.
                              That is what I have decided to go with. Plus, can buy a new die as needed for each caliber, and still not spend as much as some of the others I liked (though if I ever really branch out into many calibers...)

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