Ammo prices again

[kurac]

Now that metals, especially copper are in the tank price wise, and oil is less than half of its peak price, when do you guys think we will see some relief on ammo prices. I realize that the inventory manufactured at the high material cost must be moved before lower priced production can hit the shelfs, any thoughts on when this might happen?

[getafterit]

Thats a great question! Im still waiting for food prices to come back down.
I think there are other factors at play here. Namely the election. I think the producers know that they can get top dollar knowing that ammo could become very hard to get if Obama is elected.

[G17GUY]

I have noticed a huge drop in the price of recycled copper; however new copper products are still in high demand and receving high dollar.

Most copper recycled here in california goes to the port and shipped to china. China is getting a great deal on recycled copper, vs what they were paying just a short time ago.

[kurac]

Yeah, I hear scrap copper is getting 1/2 of what it was when it peaked.

How much copper/brass is in 1,000 primers, maybe a pound. So if the cost of copper doubles or even triples shouldn't that amount to the cost of the primers only going up a couple of buck and not doubling? Am I missing something here?

[UBFRAGD]

I think that demand is up for ammo based on what I've seen at the last gun show and at the local shops. That's not gonna help bring prices down anytime soon.

I buy a lot of copper for my job and the guys who don't move a whole lot of inventory have the worst prices because they are "stuck in the past".

The bright side of this is that copper recycling isn't as attractive to the scumbag thieves as it was just a few months ago.

[glockster]

I think we'd see ammo prices coming down some a whole lot sooner if it wasn't for the pre-election hoarding. If Obama gets in office then the hoarding will continue in fear of new ammo laws (taxes, restrictions, etc.). Unfortunately, I see no relief in the near future as long as the demand is up.

[bohoki]

i dont think 1000 primers even weigh a pound with the compound in them

i think the real cost increases is the energy cost of making them and the transportation costs then there is the spiffy little plastic tray they come in made from a pretty valueable plastic i think pete or pp for fed and winchester if they used ps they could save a little

[Mr. Beretta]

I think we'd see ammo prices coming down some a whole lot sooner if it wasn't for the pre-election hoarding. If Obama gets in office then the hoarding will continue in fear of new ammo laws (taxes, restrictions, etc.). Unfortunately, I see no relief in the near future as long as the demand is up.

The price ain't coming down in our lifetime IMHO.

[rayra]

Concur. Not significantly. 'war usage' had almost nothing to do with the increase, and any drop in base metals pricing will be more than offset by the current wave of fear-driven purchases as we hover on the cusp of going socialist. And if we DO go that way, ammo purchases / demand will soar even higher before the socialists get around to banning or egregious taxation.

So enjoy your dreams of cheap ammo. They're about as close as you'll get.

[Splinter]

I have to dissagree with the war usage not affecting the increase. With every company being atleast 1 year behind military demands, even LE and foreign countrys were feeling the shortage of ammo. This lead to companies focusing on military demands vs civilian needs. We got a minimum supply to keep us familiar with the brands, nothing more. When these companies face a cripling reduction in war/military demand, and lowered material costs, it would only be a matter of time before they compete between each other, driving the price down. Look at oil and gas, as soon as the supply outdoes the demand, prices must drop. Now, if obama increases demand and lowers supply of ammo, all bets are off. I dont think he can take it that far, as millions of shooters would lose hobbies/lifestyles, and thousands if not millions of companies would be put out of business. The california market could get hurt, but I dont see many other states even humoring something like a ban of any kind.