Blown Wolf primer

[Dogbite]

Has anyone had a primer blow in 223 / 5.56?
I was at my first LESA event or any event for that mater at WEGC 2/21/15 and during the last rifle event I was unable to engage the safety. It was the last stage and the range master forced the safety after I cleared the rifle. I wasn’t worried because the parts are cheap and easy to replace. When I got home and tore down my RAW – XM15 Bushmaster, I found blown primer bits in the lower.

Has anyone had problems with wolf primers? I have never had a problem before and have been out of the shooting scene for quite a bit of time. First time using wolf primers.

I did have a blast and will be doing LESA or 3 gun again. Very easy shooting out to 100 yards with the acceptation of a spinning star thing for pistol which completely screwed me up. I dumped 2/3 of a Glock 22 mag shooting out of a model 23 on it – only needed 5 rounds. What I found to be most difficult during the event was being able to follow the sequence of addressing targets during the rifle stage, which just about caused me a DNF. (I had brain farts) - Great group of people and Patient. Enough rant – What about wolf primers?

[sl0re10]

Has anyone had a primer blow in 223 / 5.56?
I was at my first LESA event or any event for that mater at WEGC 2/21/15 and during the last rifle event I was unable to engage the safety. It was the last stage and the range master forced the safety after I cleared the rifle. I wasn’t worried because the parts are cheap and easy to replace. When I got home and tore down my RAW – XM15 Bushmaster, I found blown primer bits in the lower.

Has anyone had problems with wolf primers? I have never had a problem before and have been out of the shooting scene for quite a bit of time. First time using wolf primers.

I did have a blast and will be doing LESA or 3 gun again. Very easy shooting out to 100 yards with the acceptation of a spinning star thing for pistol which completely screwed me up. I dumped 2/3 of a Glock 22 mag shooting out of a model 23 on it – only needed 5 rounds. What I found to be most difficult during the event was being able to follow the sequence of addressing targets during the rifle stage, which just about caused me a DNF. (I had brain farts) - Great group of people and Patient. Enough rant – What about wolf primers?

I had a bad batch of tulas... and word is they're the same primers as wolf.

I stopped using their '223' primers and went to their "5.56M" since they're thicker as a result. But the bad batch of 223s were blowing on min loads... that thousands of others, of the same model, had worked with before this package.

I ended up using them with subsonic loads (vs throwing them out). Worked ok for that.

I also started buying remington and cci again. Dealing with 1000 bad primers and pulling bullets and such wasn't worth the cost savings...

[Dogbite]

I had a bad batch of tulas... and word is they're the same primers as wolf.

I stopped using their '223' primers and went to their "5.56M" since they're thicker as a result. But the bad batch of 223s were blowing on min loads... that thousands of others, of the same model, had worked with before this package.

I ended up using them with subsonic loads (vs throwing them out). Worked ok for that.

I also started buying remington and cci again. Dealing with 1000 bad primers and pulling bullets and such wasn't worth the cost savings...

Thank you I have 10,000 wolf and 50,000+ of others - I posted this in the semi auto section also. I will measure the capacity of the case and drop the load accordingly. I checked several of the fired cases and they don't show signs of stress.
Thanks for the quick reply.

[TheExiled]

I have loaded thousands of Wolf and Tula in my 223 loads ( got a good deal on 10k) without an issue

[milotrain]

Tula and Wolf primers come from the Murom factory. They are the same. The old copper colored primers were indeed thinner, I think at present the 223 primer and 556M primers have the same cup thickness (this is based on the observation that the material seems to be the same thickness). I have not tested a recent batch of 223 primers to confirm that though.

The old 223 was absolutely thinner than the 556M primer. The new 223M primer is thicker and actually a magnum temperature primer, while the 223 and 556M primers are normal temperature.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=13638020&postcount=34

[Dogbite]

Thanks - for all the info and link

[Bigtls1]

I Use them on almost all my 223 rounds and never had an issue. Probably 15k or so worth.

[mjmagee67]

The only Wolf primers I have had an issue with are the SPP they have about a 5-8% failure rate!!! They suck. BUT the SRP and LRP have been great never an issue. As for your blow out, will it could very well be a bad piece of brass too. It also could have been the bullet got pushed way back during chambering, causing a very high pressure and blowing out the primer, or a firing slightly out of battery, very slightly. I wouldn't get too bent out of shape unless it's a common occurrence.

One more thing I would never let some ham-fisted meat head range master force anything on my gun. AR are very simple guns to tear down, in that case I would have removed the upper from the lower, examined the lower. If I didn't see anything and still couldn't get the safety on I would have left it is two pieces and taken it home to investigate further. Tweeking something in an fire control group may not always be cheap. How much is a nice group?? 200-300$

[Dogbite]

One more thing I would never let some ham-fisted meat head range master force anything on my gun. AR are very simple guns to tear down, in that case I would have removed the upper from the lower, examined the lower. If I didn't see anything and still couldn't get the safety on I would have left it is two pieces and taken it home to investigate further. Tweeking something in an fire control group may not always be cheap. How much is a nice group?? 200-300$

Yes you are 100% correct - I was only thinking about the detent, spring and safety pin. Could have been a lot more costly. Currently - stock trigger assembly w/ about 2 hours labor stoning, polishing and measuring years ago (Nice trigger with a clean brake) - It would take me much longer now. I haven't done that kind of work for many, many years. It would be easier to buy a better trigger group now that I am a bit less anal retentive. The guy was actually pretty level headed and trying to help. I didn't want to step on any toes being my first time out but you are right.

[CGT80]

Wolf primers run fine for my 223 loads for LESA and 3 gun. I didn't feel like doing LESA this weekend, because I had lever action on Sunday at WEGC.

I plan to hit 3gun next Saturday at West End. 3 gun is usually a bit more run and gun where LESA tends to require more thinking.

Texas stars are fun. They are pretty easy to hit, just let the plates come to you. I like to shoot them: top, top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right. Some people hit one and just keep their gun in one place and shoot the plates as they come by. I like to hit them before it spins, or at least get as many off the star as I can before it gets going. If you hit the top first it is less likely to get going.

Did you do the big spinner with the pistols? You have to flip a 5' tall spinner end over end with pistol rounds. I have done it in 7 rounds of 9mm, but I have also had to fire 20 rounds of 40 cal at it, when my timing is off. It is much harder than the Texas stars.

Are you doing 3 gun next Sat?

[xfer42]

I've had spent CCI primers fall out and lock up the carrier on a LR308. The two times it happened were due to loose primer pockets. I throw those loose cases away now.

[Dogbite]

Wolf primers run fine for my 223 loads for LESA and 3 gun. I didn't feel like doing LESA this weekend, because I had lever action on Sunday at WEGC.

I plan to hit 3gun next Saturday at West End. 3 gun is usually a bit more run and gun where LESA tends to require more thinking.

Texas stars are fun. They are pretty easy to hit, just let the plates come to you. I like to shoot them: top, top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right. Some people hit one and just keep their gun in one place and shoot the plates as they come by. I like to hit them before it spins, or at least get as many off the star as I can before it gets going. If you hit the top first it is less likely to get going.

Did you do the big spinner with the pistols? You have to flip a 5' tall spinner end over end with pistol rounds. I have done it in 7 rounds of 9mm, but I have also had to fire 20 rounds of 40 cal at it, when my timing is off. It is much harder than the Texas stars.

Are you doing 3 gun next Sat?

[sl0re10]

I've had spent CCI primers fall out and lock up the carrier on a LR308. The two times it happened were due to loose primer pockets. I throw those loose cases away now.

they seem to be the hardest primer (at least out of those I've used). Probably not reshaping to fit the primer pocket, when fired, and thus not anchoring themselves...

[Dogbite]

they seem to be the hardest primer (at least out of those I've used). Probably not reshaping to fit the primer pocket, when fired, and thus not anchoring themselves...

Iv'e never tired CCI - I have always used Winchester. This was the first time I used Wolf.
Thank you everyone - A lot of useful info

[CSACANNONEER]

I don't think any primer manufacturer is perfect. I've seen 40 cent a piece CCI primers fail and ruin very expensive bolts. In fact, the same day I saw it happen at a match in Reno, it happened at another match on the east coast. Anyway, again, problems can occur with any manufacturer's primers.