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  • #16
    Satex
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Feb 2006
    • 3501

    Originally posted by atc4usmc
    +1 on the hybrid drive!! Also if its a server or NAS then RAID 1 is the only way to go. If not back often and keep a copy offsite!
    Correction, RAID 5 is the way to go ;-)

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    • #17
      sonofeugene
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2013
      • 4639

      Hitachi is more reliable than WD or Seagate.
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      • #18
        billofrights
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        CGN Contributor
        • Oct 2012
        • 2343

        Originally posted by sonofeugene
        Hitachi is more reliable than WD or Seagate.
        No.

        Google released a study back in 2007 that showed some manufacturers had marginally higher failure rates, but didn't name names.

        That said, I've talked to several techs and every single one has a strong opinion. One will insist on Western Digital and say that every Seagate they've had went bad; another will say the opposite, and somebody will claim Hitachi.
        Last edited by billofrights; 02-05-2014, 1:17 PM.

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        • #19
          the86d
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2011
          • 9587

          This price was hard to beat, so I just bought two this morning:

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          • #20
            pterrell
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Aug 2013
            • 3576

            Hard drives go bad. Find one with the best warranty.

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            • #21
              bluedsteel
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 649

              Green means less power but also slower. Personally had bad experiences with seagate. I would go western digital.

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              • #22
                the86d
                Calguns Addict
                • Jul 2011
                • 9587

                Originally posted by bluedsteel
                Green means less power but also slower. Personally had bad experiences with seagate. I would go western digital.
                Out of 4 WD My Passport drives (1 of a different model than they rest) I had my hands on in the department (although others used them), only one survived and this is after less than 16 hours of being plugged in [one of the 3 of the same model survived]). I don't trust WD for-crap.

                Yes it depends on experience with devices from MFRs, and everyone is going to have a different horror-story.

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                • #23
                  NYT
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 3811

                  Originally posted by billofrights
                  No.

                  Google released a study back in 2007 that showed some manufacturers had marginally higher failure rates, but didn't name names.

                  That said, I've talked to several techs and every single one has a strong opinion. One will insist on Western Digital and say that every Seagate they've had went bad; another will say the opposite, and somebody will claim Hitachi.
                  actually hitachi does make the better hdd, they bought the business from ibm which included the deskstar hard drive brand that was and remains the best in the industry.

                  for everyday consumers, wd and seagate are ok drives with wd being the better of the two. seagate bought maxtor which is and always was utter crap.

                  for ssd the obvious choice is samsung and their evo line. best drives for the buck hands down.

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                  • #24
                    sl0re10
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 7242

                    Originally posted by the86d
                    Seagates used to be terrible in the MFM-RLL days, then w (E)IDE they got better, and their SATA OEM line (3-5year warranty) is GREAT, however I just lost one in less than 2 years to creeping bad sectors (S.M.A.R.T. let me know and I haven't replaced in in 3 months with Christmas around the corner).

                    I don't trust my data on WD drives, (unless enterprise?) as it seems they like to start having issues more than other brands in the rigs I have looked at.

                    Any data that you don't have in at least 2 places, is data that you don't care about...
                    Agree and everyone has had a bad run where drives fail but Seagate has more than their share. Their early 1T drives had a bad design that causes them to go off line under heavy load. Then right on the heels of that they had a few runs of bad (failure prone) platters for sub 1T drives. The best part is in both cases they send you another drive with the same problems. Had a guy at work that thought it was funny to play Seagate's game back with them and he just kept doing warranty replacements for drives with bad platters, on the warranty replacements.... I couldn't stomach it considering he was using the failure prone drives in production systems (so I wouldn't use the drives he was getting back from Seagate)... but he did and just kept doing it.

                    Near the end I got into Samsung drives under 500gb. Very fast and no failures. The access times got worse as the capacity went up so I stuck to the smaller ones.
                    Last edited by sl0re10; 02-06-2014, 12:30 PM.

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                    • #25
                      2shotjoe
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 26638

                      greens are terrible, gone through a few. red are now known to be the same.

                      blue and blacks are the way to go.
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                      • #26
                        bg
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 5207

                        Have used blacks in at least 7 clients units up to the 500 gig 2.5's
                        without one failure. I am using a unit I put together back in 08
                        with a 3.5 640 gig black that can't be had anymore and have
                        at least 3,000 hrs on it and it fires up my old unit every time.

                        I admit it is getting a little slow and making noises once in a
                        while, but it has never failed.

                        Can't say the same about Samsung, Seagate, or the WD Blues.

                        I DO have a Samsung 128 gig SSD and am not that impressed.
                        All of my 2.5's Blacks boot up about the same speed.

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                        • #27
                          FreshTapCoke
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 926

                          Disclaimer: I am a storage administrator professionally


                          Please avoid Seagate. Their consumer drives are no longer reliable.
                          Read - http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21...-should-i-buy/
                          I also have my personal anecdotal evidence per ~20% drive failure rate over 1,000's of hard drives

                          Western Digital Green
                          Avoid these if you are accessing your data frequently. They achieve their greenness by spinning down the drive and parking the read heads when not in use. Frequent use will be the equivalent of turning on your car for a few seconds, shutting it off, then repeating over and over again.

                          Hard drive space I've had good results with WD and definitely Hitachi.
                          My current SSD recommendation is Samsung for their PRO lines.
                          Last edited by FreshTapCoke; 02-10-2014, 7:52 PM.
                          Originally posted by Noble Cause
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                          • #28
                            FreshTapCoke
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 926

                            Originally posted by bloodhawke83
                            greens are terrible, gone through a few. red are now known to be the same.

                            blue and blacks are the way to go.
                            Hey have you run into any problems with the WD reds? I haven't used them personally or professionally yet so I'm curious.
                            Originally posted by Noble Cause
                            Can you imagine Patrick Henry, the "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" guy, in today's world, whining about "not joining the NRA because of junk mail" ?!

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                            • #29
                              FreshTapCoke
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 926

                              Originally posted by the86d
                              Out of 4 WD My Passport drives (1 of a different model than they rest) I had my hands on in the department (although others used them), only one survived and this is after less than 16 hours of being plugged in [one of the 3 of the same model survived]). I don't trust WD for-crap.

                              Yes it depends on experience with devices from MFRs, and everyone is going to have a different horror-story.
                              Not sure if you tried but I've found Western Digital's external drive USB controllers to be crap. The drives are usually fine if you pull them out and format them.
                              Originally posted by Noble Cause
                              Can you imagine Patrick Henry, the "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" guy, in today's world, whining about "not joining the NRA because of junk mail" ?!

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                              • #30
                                UnderADyingSun
                                Junior Member
                                • Feb 2014
                                • 91

                                In short, no.

                                Keep an eye out on caviar blue as it generally goes on sale through popular sites like newegg and tigerdirect. If you're just storing media on there you're fine going with green. Although, I'd recommend solid state for your OS and any other commonly used applications.
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