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  • SactoDoug
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2013
    • 2491

    Distopian Nightmare is Here: Win11, Secure Boot, TPM, BitLocker, Copilot+

    I knew that each separate thing was bad for privacy. I did not know how they all interact with each other. It is much worse than I thought. Rob Braxman goes into detail on all of this in the video linked below.

    Windows 11 and any software that has admin access on the computer can use the TPM's API. Each TPM has a unique Endorsement Key(EK) which can be used to identify the computer. Microsoft runs the Platform Crypto Provider (PCP) which is a cloud based provider which interacts with the TPM. Every piece of software that wants to verify the computer, user, etc. through the TPM is using the PCP. This is going over Microsoft's servers. This means Microsoft has the data in addition to the 3rd party software vendor that is calling up the TPM services in the first place.

    Tie this in with Windows requiring a MS cloud account by default. Now the specific computer is tied to a person's true identity. MS is really pushing Windows Recall and Copilot. Recall takes screen shots every 3 seconds. Copilot has access to everything on the computer and may be listening to the microphone at all times.

    This creates the very real scenario where your behavior on your computer is logged. The AI could be ordered by either MS or a government entity to report any suspicious behavior. If someone does not like what you are doing, you could be completely locked out of your computer or the authorities could be sent to your door. When hackers eventually compromise the system, they will be able to order the AI to send them all of your accounts, passwords, financial information, blackmail material, etc.

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  • #2
    67Cuda
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 1709

    Some how, I'm not surprised.
    Originally posted by ivanimal
    People that call other member stupid get time off.
    So much for being honest.

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    • #3
      ibanezfoo
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Apr 2007
      • 11680

      Trying working for a fortune 100 company and navigating this nightmare while being forced to update thousands of computers to use it.... just shoot me.
      vindicta inducit ad salutem?

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      • #4
        echo1
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 3838

        I'm still on Amiga 2000, PAX
        You need a crew

        "A free people should be armed and disciplined" (George Washington),

        Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.~John Adams 1798

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        • #5
          Big Chudungus
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2021
          • 2894

          ".....wait till you find out what this TPM chip is all about. It is such a giant invasion of privacy that I turned mine off."

          any QRD on how to turn it off? how do I check if I've got Co-Pilot running by default? IIRC I've been asked to get it and never have, AFAIK, but they like to trick people into stuff.

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          • #6
            Notpc
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2016
            • 3294

            When setting up my new Dell with Win 11, I avoided creating a Microsoft account with a workaround that you can find on YouTube.
            "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain..."
            Roy Batty

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            • #7
              mmc
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2020
              • 13

              I decided I have had enough of this and recently just switched full time to Linux Mint and Cinammon. I have previous experience with Linux, but I have been astounded by the ease of use, simple focus, the amount of stuff that "just works", and how much you can do without ever touching a command line. AI tools make it easy now to figure out scripts and command line troubleshooting now for those who need it. This is the promise that Linux always made, and I think it is finally here for normal users. This is what a simple, user-first without spying a data collection can be. Give it a try!

              I am still occasionally booting back into a stripped down Win10 install to use Solidworks, Photoshop, and Premiere. But eventually I hope to move to onshape, davinci, and photopea for those. I have not been this satisfied with my computer in a long time. It doesn't feel like it is working against me at every turn.

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              • #8
                OlderThanDirt
                FUBAR
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jun 2009
                • 5802

                I’m happy with my Commodore 64.
                We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying. ~ Solzhenitsyn
                Thermidorian Reaction . . Prepare for it.

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                • #9
                  amd64
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2005
                  • 1100

                  I moved all my machines to Linux Mint. Fairly easy transition.
                  I keep a couple SSDs with Win7 and Adobe CS on it that I still use sometimes.

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                  • #10
                    arrix
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 3825

                    You can run Linux as your main OS and Windows or Mac in a local VM.
                    There is no week nor day nor hour, when tyranny may not enter upon this country, if the people lose their supreme confidence in themselves -- and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance -- Tyranny may always enter -- there is no charm, no bar against it -- the only bar against it is a large resolute breed of men.

                    -Walt Whitman

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                    • #11
                      SactoDoug
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 2491

                      Originally posted by arrix
                      You can run Linux as your main OS and Windows or Mac in a local VM.
                      Yup. I have two Win11 VMs in QEMU just for this purpose. I used to dual boot Windows 10 with Linux Mint on my laptop, but Windows did not play nice. After a Windows update broke Grub twice, I left Win10 on the SSD by itself, removed the SSD and went with Mint 100%. I have had a reason to put Win10 back on my laptop.
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                      • #12
                        Dan_Eastvale
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 10048

                        goto MacOS. heeheehee
                        Last edited by Dan_Eastvale; 02-01-2026, 7:08 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Reno-Kid
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2021
                          • 2641

                          Originally posted by arrix
                          You can run Linux as your main OS and Windows or Mac in a local VM.
                          Skip VM and use a Harddrive switch. Boot into different drives and OS...linux, w10, w11, ? Complete separation and no dependent on VM.

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                          • #14
                            SactoDoug
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Oct 2013
                            • 2491

                            Originally posted by Reno-Kid

                            Skip VM and use a Harddrive switch. Boot into different drives and OS...linux, w10, w11, ? Complete separation and no dependent on VM.
                            On one of my old computers I have hot swapable SATA bays which I could easily do what you are describing. That will work for certain setups but will be a pain for most. Opening up my laptop to swap out the NVME SSD is not exactly convenient. On my latest desktop computer I would have to also remove the GPU to get to the SSD mounted under it.
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                            • #15
                              Sputnik
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 2142

                              I didn’t like the idea of windows sharing a drive so I just installed a second drive, installed Mint, and made that the default boot volume in bios. When it boots the Linux boot manager (grub) sees any bootable volumes and gives the option to select one or wait and it selects the default.
                              Windows is still available but only gets used for minimal applications.
                              I’ve been a Mac user since system 6 but Linux is growing on me. Micr$oft quit trying back at Win 7. 11 is a blight.

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