CISPA just passed the House.

[cycle61]

The government is writing themselves a blank warrant to snoop on basically everything you ever have done or will do online, under the righteous banner of "cybersecurity" and protecting the children. This bill has bipartisan support, with many representatives voting across party lines to approve or deny the measure.

More details:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cispa-is-ridiculously-hideous-and-it-just-passed-the-house-2012-4

[JDay]

The government is writing themselves a blank warrant to snoop on basically everything you ever have done or will do online, under the righteous banner of "cybersecurity" and protecting the children. This bill has bipartisan support, with many representatives voting across party lines to approve or deny the measure.

More details:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cispa...e-house-2012-4

Not really, I looked at the votes and it was mostly Republicans who voted for it.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml

Republicans:
Yea - 206
Nay - 28
Not Voting - 7

Democrats:
Yea - 42
Nay - 140
Not Voting - 8

That comes out to 28% Democrats vs 85% Republicans.

[Autarchist]

Folks in the government have realized how dangerous the internet is to their power.

They want us getting our information from the state-controlled MSM.

[Nose Nuggets]

Folks in the government have realized how dangerous the internet is to their power.

They want us getting our information from the state-controlled MSM.

This is where i would put my money, if i was a gambling man.

[cycle61]

That comes out to 28% Democrats vs 85% Republicans.

Exactly. Both parties are trying to control and invade your rights and privacy. Both seem perfectly comfortable wiping their *** with the bill of rights and the constitution. Would a real Libertarian party be too much to ask at this point?

[wjc]

Looks like we are back to plotting in taverns....

[JDay]

Exactly. Both parties are trying to control and invade your rights and privacy. Both seem perfectly comfortable wiping their *** with the bill of rights and the constitution. Would a real Libertarian party be too much to ask at this point?

I think my post went right over your head. I pointed out that the Democrats for the most part are against this bill, probably because it's an election year. In any case I hope this bill dies before it can become law.

[Demonicspire]

Obama says " I will veto" and unless they can come up with 30 more votes, they can't override him.

[Yugo]

[JDay]

Obama says " I will veto" and unless they can come up with 30 more votes, they can't override him.

He has promised a lot of things that he never delivered on. Not to mention he signed ACTA yet spoke out against SOPA and PIPA, it's all posturing in order to fool the masses who are likely to vote for him this election.

[Demonicspire]

He has promised a lot of things that he never delivered on. Not to mention he signed ACTA yet spoke out against SOPA and PIPA, it's all posturing in order to fool the masses who are likely to vote for him this election.

Well, I'm not sure why he'd reverse his position on the veto, barring a radical shift of the political landscape. Anywho, I hope he vetos it.

[Autarchist]

Well, I'm not sure why he'd reverse his position on the veto, barring a radical shift of the political landscape. Anywho, I hope he vetos it.

If he vetos it this time around, he will surely sign the next incarnation, which will most likely be even worse, during his next term when he doesn't need to worry about re-election.

[Demonicspire]

If he vetos it this time around, he will surely sign the next incarnation, which will most likely be even worse, during his next term when he doesn't need to worry about re-election.

Who knows, at the very least the veto would give time for support to be rallied. Would you rather he not veto it?

[Autarchist]

Who knows, at the very least the veto would give time for support to be rallied. Would you rather he not veto it?

I'd prefer that people would finally see through the veil of false legitimacy sheilding the government, and they stopped supporting the institution completely. Then we can finally let it wither away and die, just like every other outdated ideological paradigm does eventually. "Government", as we have it today, really hasn't changed much since the days when people pooped in the dirt and attributed illnesses to demonic possessions, and it really shows given the lack of rationality and critical thinking ability one must have to support such an oppressive and damaging insitution.

Whether they crank down control over the internet this year or next doesn't matter a whole lot. One thing all governments do is grow. The idea of a "limited" government is a farse, an impossible ideal.

[Demonicspire]

I'd prefer that people would finally see through the veil of false legitimacy sheilding the government, and they stopped supporting the institution completely. Then we can finally let it wither away and die, just like every other outdated ideological paradigm does eventually. "Government", as we have it today, really hasn't changed much since the days when people pooped in the dirt and attributed illnesses to demonic possessions, and it really shows given the lack of rationality and critical thinking ability one must have to support such an oppressive and damaging insitution.

Whether they crank down control over the internet this year or next doesn't matter a whole lot. One thing all governments do is grow. The idea of a "limited" government is a farse, an impossible ideal.

Oh sorry, totally didn't process your avatar till now, silly me. I think of it this way "American Democracy is a terrible system of government, but the others are all so much worse"