SOPA Bill

[Meatwad]

Wikipedia and Reddit running a blackout to protest:

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/16/technology/sopa_wikipedia/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3

More information on the drastically inflated or downright fraudulent figures the media companies are using to back SOPA and PIPA:

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/01/12/sopa-the-gloves-come-off/?iid=EL

[r3dn3ck]

SOPA is proof that the government will try to legislate and regulate in the complete absence of any actual understanding of what something is (and is not) and specifically how it works.

Apart from that mangle there's also the issue of its implementation breaking parts of what I'll colloquially call "the internet" which are vitally important to ISP's (the suppliers of the bulk of the worlds access the internet), specifically DNSSEC. See the recent issue comcast has with SOPA and DNSSEC: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/11/27...ng-dnssec-sopa

If that doesn't make sense to you think of it like this: government says we're going to dynamically change the names and locations of streets given by GPS to prevent you finding your way to anything illegal. You still know how to get to plenty of illegal things even without your GPS because you have an old paper map. Government breaks the GPS network anyway. You still get to the crack house and buy some crack and 2 babies.

[ibanezfoo]

So apparently the whitehouse refuses to support SOPA and PIPA on the basis that it severely restricts freedom:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...ative-internet

Somewhat hypocritical for them to say in this patriot act era.

[Deadbolt]

Somewhat hypocritical for them to say in this patriot act era.

if the Brady campaign suddenly started to openly support the arming of law abiding citizens with fullautos - would you stamp your foot and ask why?

[GlockBlocker]

Somewhat hypocritical for them to say in this patriot act era.

So we should criticize them regardless of the position they went with on this one? At least they got our backs on this one.


... on another note, while it looks like SOPA is on its way to being defeated (for now), the Protect IP Act, which will also infringe on 1A is still a problem. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_IP_Act) We can't lose site of this one either.

[Meatwad]

So we should criticize them regardless of the position they went with on this one? At least they got our backs on this one.


... on another note, while it looks like SOPA is on its way to being defeated (for now), the Protect IP Act, which will also infringe on 1A is still a problem. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_IP_Act) We can't lose site of this one either.

It's also nicknamed the E-Parasite Act, just found the petition from Merc's link:

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition-tool/petition/stop-e-parasite-act/SWBYXX55

[Merc1138]

So we should criticize them regardless of the position they went with on this one? At least they got our backs on this one.


... on another note, while it looks like SOPA is on its way to being defeated (for now), the Protect IP Act, which will also infringe on 1A is still a problem. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_IP_Act) We can't lose site of this one either.

PIPA is also being protested along with SOPA, everyone just seems to refer to SOPA(I think it made headlines first?)

As far as the Obama administration, no I'm not going to complain if they also oppose SOPA because it's a freedom issue. The Obama administration didn't propose either bill, and pulling support for SOPA is a good thing, yet we're still supposed to complain because Obama(or whoever it is in Obama's cabinet that made this choice) actually sided with us? Nope, I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth, or gripe just because it's Obama as if I don't have 100 other valid complaints.

Like Deadbolt said, I wouldn't complain if the Brady Campaign suddenly decided to drop it's anti 2a nonsense and suddenly demand the repeal of FOPA, GCA, NFA, 922(r), enforce state 2a incorporation, etc.

Now do I think there may be another motive other than the preservation of freedom? Definitely. That's why I said even if these bills do go down in flames, we need to make sure any future attempts at this same nonsense meet the same fate. Obama probably considered it political suicide to do something to piss off the "internet youth"(the people who use facebook, youtube, google, on a daily basis) since that actually comprises a LOT of his voters.

But I'm not going to look a gift-obama in the mouth(would have been insulting to horses) just because I don't like the guy for a multitude of other reasons.

[Meatwad]

Just a sample of what we're in for:

http://rt.com/usa/news/us-court-sopa-morris-203/

[ntrddragn]

Is it just me or what? I'm starting to realize that the free America I once knew, will no longer be the free America there once was. Yes, WAS, past tense.
It seems to me that everyday that goes by I wake up to a new bill with certain limitations to what we can, and not do with our daily lives. Not that this bill includes that, but we're not far from it from happening. Big corporations are just getting bigger while smaller companies are disappearing. The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

So true. I think Ben Franklin said its best:They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. And most American are giving up their just a 'little' freedom for comfort and safety. Which is why we see more and more government regulation because they believe we are to dumb to make a decision and they have to make it for us.

[ibanezfoo]

At least they got our backs on this one.

I doubt that. When have they ever had our backs on anything?

[DNA]

Well, when you have Russian friends going back to Russia because it is now a more free country that is less communist that ought to tell you something.

Or when your Russian friends tell you how much it's starting to feel like the Soviet Union with the way things are going.... Or when Visitors from Europe tell you the government's going in the wrong direction (same direction as Europe).

Dan

[ntrddragn]

Well, when you have Russian friends going back to Russia because it is now a more free country that is less communist that ought to tell you something.

That reminds me of a run in i had with this older Vietmanese guy (came from communist Vietnam) a year or so back. He said he like Obama because the way Obama runs the country it makes him feel like he was back in communist Vietnam. I kid you not. I was WTF? Go back to Vietnam then. And yes I AM VIETNAMESE. just in case someone think im trying to be a racist.

[ibanezfoo]

Or when your Russian friends tell you how much it's starting to feel like the Soviet Union with the way things are going.... Or when Visitors from Europe tell you the government's going in the wrong direction (same direction as Europe).

Dan

My Russian friend was going over all these little specific things Obama is doing that mirror the events that happened before the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was freaking out about the 12 guys Obama appointed as some supreme council thing. He likened it to 12 guys in the Russian government that have the same job. Its amazing really. At first you are like "yeah whatever dude" but then he starts pointing out all the little details and you are like "holy crap! I didn't realize"

[high_revs]

craiglist list also asking people to speak out on their landing page.

[2shotjoe]

kinda funny, last 3 months no one care but they do when we're within a week of signing.