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  • RRangel
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 5164

    New Bill coming to make Internet wiretaps easier

    This is coming from our current White House. Will there be any naysayers complaining about this? Aren't increased wiretap powers and similar actions that are reminiscent of the Patriot Act verboten? The law will reportedly include the following:
    • -Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.

    • -Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts.

    • -Software developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.


    I'm sure software developers love government breathing down their necks. Not to mention some of these features could be security risks.

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    ocspeedracer
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 1147

    Originally posted by RRangel
    This is coming from our current White House. Will there be any naysayers complaining about this? Aren't increased wiretap powers and similar actions that are reminiscent of the Patriot Act verboten? The law will reportedly include the following:
    • -Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.

    • -Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts.

    • -Software developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.


    I'm sure software developers love government breathing down their necks. Not to mention some of these features could be security risks.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100927/...ernet_wiretaps
    I don't like the sounds of this, certainly not with our current administration. This even goes beyond that.

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    • #3
      Rhythm of Life
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 2800

      They've been trying this stuff for years and it hasn't stuck yet.
      The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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      • #4
        orangeglo
        Calguns Addict
        • Nov 2009
        • 5818

        I do not approve.

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        • #5
          freonr22
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Dec 2008
          • 12945

          Originally posted by Rhythm of Life
          They've been trying this stuff for years and it hasn't stuck yetcome out in the open yet.
          I am SURE they can see what ever they want to regarding email/ files upload download. Who has the Internet switches? or is it servers? a lil while ago, I may be wrong, there were like 13 in the world, 9 in the us... something like that
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          Originally posted by dantodd
          We will win. We are right. We will never stop fighting.
          Originally posted by bwiese
          They don't believe it's possible, but then Alison didn't believe there'd be 350K - 400K OLLs in CA either.
          Originally posted by louisianagirl
          Our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.

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          • #6
            armygunsmith
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 2087

            Looks like more traffic will be going through onion networks. Not ideal, but it's a start.
            SECRET//NOFORN
            "Sometimes it's easier to do it the hard way."
            Sgt. E <--(That's me)

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            • #7
              Wherryj
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Mar 2010
              • 11085

              Originally posted by RRangel
              This is coming from our current White House. Will there be any naysayers complaining about this? Aren't increased wiretap powers and similar actions that are reminiscent of the Patriot Act verboten? The law will reportedly include the following:
              • -Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.

              • -Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts.

              • -Software developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.


              I'm sure software developers love government breathing down their necks. Not to mention some of these features could be security risks.

              http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100927/...ernet_wiretaps
              Megan Kelly had a little segment on this on Monday. It was interesting how exactly the same thing was tried by the Bush admin, and how different the newspaper headlines were.

              Back then it was "Concern over expanded government spying". Now it's just "enhanced wiretap".

              It just shows that neither party and none of the media sources are to be trusted. There is too much "spin" put on everything these days.
              "What is a moderate interpretation of the text? Halfway between what it really means and what you'd like it to mean?"
              -Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice
              "Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
              I like my guns like the left likes their voters-"undocumented".

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              • #8
                POLICESTATE
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Apr 2009
                • 18185

                I was reading about this yesterday, whatever. The terrorists will just turn to encrypted communications. The whole thing is stupid.
                -POLICESTATE,
                In the name of the State, and of the School, and of the Infallible Science


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                • #9
                  Wherryj
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 11085

                  It's not about controlling terrorists. If need be, they will fall back to dead drops and the like.

                  It's about being able to control one's citizens.
                  "What is a moderate interpretation of the text? Halfway between what it really means and what you'd like it to mean?"
                  -Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice
                  "Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
                  I like my guns like the left likes their voters-"undocumented".

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                  • #10
                    JDay
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 19393

                    Originally posted by freonr22
                    I am SURE they can see what ever they want to regarding email/ files upload download. Who has the Internet switches? or is it servers? a lil while ago, I may be wrong, there were like 13 in the world, 9 in the us... something like that
                    Your numbers are way off, there are many thousands of internet backbone switches and routers in the US alone. Take a look at just UUNET's US internet map.





                    There are many more here.



                    Keep in mind these are just showing the major hubs.
                    Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                    The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                    • #11
                      JDay
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19393

                      Originally posted by Wherryj
                      It's not about controlling terrorists. If need be, they will fall back to dead drops and the like.
                      These are still widely used.
                      Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                      The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                      • #12
                        KillZone45
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 2570

                        Originally posted by Wherryj
                        It's not about controlling terrorists. If need be, they will fall back to dead drops and the like.

                        It's about being able to control one's citizens.
                        This is exactly what it is about!
                        Nikita Khrushchev said"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. "

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                        • #13
                          bigmike82
                          Bit Pusher
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 3876

                          Freon, you're thinking of root DNS servers.

                          Those are completely different.
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