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  • #16
    WeekendWarrior
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 3536

    I wouldn't say Cloud Computing and SaaS are buzz words at heart, rather they were names given to this new style of computing and application development. They are buzz words now in the sense that the Cloud is a hot topic right now, but just like any other form of Technology, a name is adopted to be used and recognized by the mass market. Real cloud computing applications have only been around since the innovation of web 2.0 websites which facilitate the use of the applications in the cloud.

    Benefits of the Cloud for your business:

    Lets look at it this way. If you are running a company that uses 10, 20, or even 100 business applications - this is going to require a large amount of infrastructure and dedicated resources to maintain. According to many studies, most companies spend about 70% of their budget towards maintaining the hardware and software they have in place, leaving only 30% of their budget and time to work on innovation, projects, or new products. The beauty of a multi-tenant architecture, and I am talking true multi-tenancy - is that all instances of an application run on the same code infrastructure. Well what does that mean to an end user? What that means is that instead of supporting past models of the application every time new functionality is released or patches are applied, SaaS companies with multi-tenant infrastructures need only to support 1 version of the application. That means they can concentrate on innovation rather than supporting past models. That also means when new changes are rolled out to end users, this will not affect any integrations that have been built out ofr their specific instance of the application. How many times has your company rolled out a security patch for an on-premise solution just to see integrations fail because of changes to the fundamental coding of the application? This happens all the time, and is completely avoidable with the SaaS/multi-tenancy model. Our company rolls out 3-4 new releases every year and we do so seamlessly (5 minutes of downtime in the middle of the night). All of your integrations are preserved and you never see problems as a result. So an end user will constantly have the latest and greatest functionality on their application without the headache of integration failures or other disruptions. How many new releases do you see for an on premise application each year? Maybe one, if that. The reason for that is that whenever they develop new functionality they are having to build it out for all the different prior versions of their application to make it accessible to all of their customers. If you have 8 prior versions, that means you need to code that functionality for 8 different applications instead of a single application.

    I know there is a lot of skepticism out there about Cloud computing with people concerned about security, but if you look at the marketplace trend almost every large software company is now developing Cloud applications in conjunction with their on-premise applications. Microsoft, Oracle, etc., etc.

    The difference between my company and those companies is they are still locked into developing and supporting on premise solutions, slowing down their innovation. My company is strictly SaaS, which is why we are a market leader in the Industry. I'd like to see Microsoft put out 3 major releases in one year for any of its products (and I'm not talking security patches, hahahaha).
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    • #17
      SwissFluCase
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      • Jul 2008
      • 1322

      I see cloud computing really taking off for those specialized business applications that are quickly evolving. What I don't see is the core desktop suite moving to the cloud. Who cares if Windows and Office is only upgraded every five years (or more)? If you want to get rid of the PCs, they can be virtualized in your server room (private cloud?). We deploy a solution called Panologic at some of our clients to do just that.

      I think we will always see a mix of the two types. What is obvious is that client/server computing costs much more than the old mainframes did, and is much less reliable. Those apps that used to run on the mainframe will be the ones that go to the cloud.

      The problem is still the encryption keys. It *does* matter who holds them. A lot of our clients have data that they will not or can not allow to leave the premises because a breach would finish their business. Strong encryption would overcome this obstacle to *some* degree.

      Regards,


      SwissFluCase
      "We don't discuss the governor's arsenal in detail" - Brown spokeswoman Elizabeth Ashford

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      • #18
        lazyworm
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 1638

        Originally posted by WeekendWarrior
        I wouldn't say Cloud Computing and SaaS are buzz words at heart, rather they were names given to this new style of computing and application development. They are buzz words now in the sense that the Cloud is a hot topic right now, but just like any other form of Technology, a name is adopted to be used and recognized by the mass market. Real cloud computing applications have only been around since the innovation of web 2.0 websites which facilitate the use of the applications in the cloud.

        Benefits of the Cloud for your business:

        Lets look at it this way. If you are running a company that uses 10, 20, or even 100 business applications - this is going to require a large amount of infrastructure and dedicated resources to maintain. According to many studies, most companies spend about 70% of their budget towards maintaining the hardware and software they have in place, leaving only 30% of their budget and time to work on innovation, projects, or new products. The beauty of a multi-tenant architecture, and I am talking true multi-tenancy - is that all instances of an application run on the same code infrastructure. Well what does that mean to an end user? What that means is that instead of supporting past models of the application every time new functionality is released or patches are applied, SaaS companies with multi-tenant infrastructures need only to support 1 version of the application. That means they can concentrate on innovation rather than supporting past models. That also means when new changes are rolled out to end users, this will not affect any integrations that have been built out ofr their specific instance of the application. How many times has your company rolled out a security patch for an on-premise solution just to see integrations fail because of changes to the fundamental coding of the application? This happens all the time, and is completely avoidable with the SaaS/multi-tenancy model. Our company rolls out 3-4 new releases every year and we do so seamlessly (5 minutes of downtime in the middle of the night). All of your integrations are preserved and you never see problems as a result. So an end user will constantly have the latest and greatest functionality on their application without the headache of integration failures or other disruptions. How many new releases do you see for an on premise application each year? Maybe one, if that. The reason for that is that whenever they develop new functionality they are having to build it out for all the different prior versions of their application to make it accessible to all of their customers. If you have 8 prior versions, that means you need to code that functionality for 8 different applications instead of a single application.

        I know there is a lot of skepticism out there about Cloud computing with people concerned about security, but if you look at the marketplace trend almost every large software company is now developing Cloud applications in conjunction with their on-premise applications. Microsoft, Oracle, etc., etc.

        The difference between my company and those companies is they are still locked into developing and supporting on premise solutions, slowing down their innovation. My company is strictly SaaS, which is why we are a market leader in the Industry. I'd like to see Microsoft put out 3 major releases in one year for any of its products (and I'm not talking security patches, hahahaha).

        Another data point... I have seen studies of computing resource
        utilization in a corporate data center. The utilization averages around
        15-20%. The utilization is so low because each dept has their own set
        of servers and applications and these servers only get use during certain
        hours. The attraction of virtualization and cloud computing is that the
        sharing and consolidation of resources bring overall utilization up. Thus
        saving money.

        I think all of us in the tech world has seen some kind of bell curve for
        the traffic/usage for your application or servers. We've always have
        to plan and size for the peak/max load. The rest of the time the
        servers sit idle / less utilized.

        Before cloud computing, this idle or wasted resource is considered part of
        the cost of doing business. Cloud computing allows companies to utilize
        that waste.

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        • #19
          lazyworm
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2006
          • 1638

          Originally posted by SwissFluCase
          I see cloud computing really taking off for those specialized business applications that are quickly evolving. What I don't see is the core desktop suite moving to the cloud. Who cares if Windows and Office is only upgraded every five years (or more)? If you want to get rid of the PCs, they can be virtualized in your server room (private cloud?). We deploy a solution called Panologic at some of our clients to do just that.

          I think we will always see a mix of the two types. What is obvious is that client/server computing costs much more than the old mainframes did, and is much less reliable. Those apps that used to run on the mainframe will be the ones that go to the cloud.

          The problem is still the encryption keys. It *does* matter who holds them. A lot of our clients have data that they will not or can not allow to leave the premises because a breach would finish their business. Strong encryption would overcome this obstacle to *some* degree.

          Regards,


          SwissFluCase

          Cloud computing being the buzz word has 1 huge draw back. It's been
          marketed as the end-all-be-all solution to everything. That is simply
          not true. It's just another alternative. Different needs require different
          solutions.

          I totally agree that it's not going to replace your desktop, not anytime
          soon. The current evolution of cloud is that it is available to replace parts
          of what is traditional provided by a desktop. Office apps has been moving
          to web based for a few years already. Features, speed and usefulness
          has come a long way, but it's still nowhere close to the desktop office
          suite. If you just need to start up a spread sheet to keep track of
          a few things, web based office tools, says, google docs, is adequate.
          Also, few people can doubt that web browsers are getting more and
          more feature rich and powerful. Flash/AIR based applications can very
          nicely mimic a traditional installed shrink-wrap application.

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          • #20
            jmlivingston
            Moderator Emeritus
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 5095

            Network World article on cloud computing

            Just hit my inbox while I was out at lunch, and since it's relevant to our discussion I thought I'd share this article with all of you.

            Enterprises say they are already doing cloud computing

            The hottest technology appears to be the cloud, but no one is really sure what that means
            ...
            By the time the industry decides, adoption rate will no doubt be at 100%, because you apparently don't need to know where or what the cloud is, to know you want to deploy it.

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            • #21
              artherd
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2005
              • 5038

              The web browser is the new vt100 dumb terminal
              - Ben Cannon.
              Chairman, CEO -
              CoFounder - Postings are my own, and are not formal positions of any other entity, or legal advice.

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              • #22
                jmlivingston
                Moderator Emeritus
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 5095

                Originally posted by artherd
                The web browser is the new vt100 dumb terminal

                Except now there aren't that many people who appreciate ASCII art!

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                • #23
                  sfwdiy
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 2146

                  Originally posted by artherd
                  The web browser is the new vt100 dumb terminal
                  Seems pretty true, actually.

                  I still don't see cloud computing completely replacing desktop applications any time soon, though. There are a lot of apps out there that can't be replicated in the cloud for various reasons.

                  I love Google Apps for my domain, though. Screw Go-Daddy's bogus POP mail.

                  --B
                  Need data recovery? CLICK HERE for a discount on your next recovery from DriveSavers!

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                  • #24
                    sfwdiy
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 2146

                    Originally posted by jmlivingston
                    Except now there aren't that many people who appreciate ASCII art!
                    I was gonna paste some awesome ASCII art in this thread, but it doesn't display right at all.

                    --B
                    Need data recovery? CLICK HERE for a discount on your next recovery from DriveSavers!

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                    • #25
                      sfwdiy
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 2146

                      Speaking of ASCII art, open a terminal and pump this in there: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

                      Good times.

                      --B
                      Need data recovery? CLICK HERE for a discount on your next recovery from DriveSavers!

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                      • #26
                        lazyworm
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 1638

                        oh, the memories

                        Here's another one...

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                        • #27
                          SwissFluCase
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1322

                          Originally posted by artherd
                          The web browser is the new vt100 dumb terminal
                          "When I was your age sonny, all we had were VT100 terminals, and we had to make to with ASCII pr0n! If we wanted to post dirty pictures, we had to use vi!"

                          Regards,


                          SwissFluCase
                          "We don't discuss the governor's arsenal in detail" - Brown spokeswoman Elizabeth Ashford

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                          • #28
                            glbtrottr
                            Veteran Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 3552

                            Originally posted by artherd
                            The first person who ties encryption and cloud computing together is going to be very wealthy.
                            Encryption: a little company called RSA. http://www.rsa.com/
                            Cloud computing, private or public: http://www.emc.com/products/detail/software/atmos.htm

                            both owned by EMC...hmm.
                            On hold....

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                            • #29
                              jmlivingston
                              Moderator Emeritus
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 5095

                              Even the HBA/FCoE manufacturers are now supporting hardware based encryption in their adapters.

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                              • #30
                                artherd
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 5038

                                Originally posted by glbtrottr
                                Encryption: a little company called RSA. http://www.rsa.com/
                                Cloud computing, private or public: http://www.emc.com/products/detail/software/atmos.htm

                                both owned by EMC...hmm.



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                                Chairman, CEO -
                                CoFounder - Postings are my own, and are not formal positions of any other entity, or legal advice.

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