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  • #31
    ibanezfoo
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Apr 2007
    • 11674

    Originally posted by Dan_Eastvale
    I upgraded my kid's PC with a larger system C 1 TB NVME Drive (Crucial) last week

    Used Clonezilla and it worked fine.

    I took his old system NVME M2 drive (Samsung 970 pro plus 500GB) and tried cloning my 500 GB Samsung SATA SSD to his 970 to use as my system drive. Used Clonezilla.

    Appeared to clone fine but would not boot in my system.

    Resorted to the Samsung Data Migration. It was faster and booted fine... Weird. Even though both drives were Samsung it shouldn't make a difference.

    Hit and miss
    NVMe and SSD are different architecture with different addressing. You could probably clone it and tweak the Windows boot manager to make it work. Or use something like Grub and tweak that
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    • #32
      Dan_Eastvale
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Apr 2013
      • 10037

      But NVME is SSD.

      Wouldn't think SATA interface on the cloned drive would make a difference

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      • #33
        ibanezfoo
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Apr 2007
        • 11674

        Originally posted by Dan_Eastvale
        But NVME is SSD.

        Wouldn't think SATA interface on the cloned drive would make a difference
        SSD / SATA goes through the motherboards controller. NVMe sits on the bus directly and has its own controller. That?s why they are so fast. Completely different tech. The cheesy off brand NVMe drives will just use some crap SATA controller on the drive and basically run as a SATA SSD.

        vindicta inducit ad salutem?

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        • #34
          command_liner
          Senior Member
          • May 2009
          • 1175

          Originally posted by ibanezfoo
          SSD / SATA goes through the motherboards controller. NVMe sits on the bus directly and has its own controller. That?s why they are so fast. Completely different tech. The cheesy off brand NVMe drives will just use some crap SATA controller on the drive and basically run as a SATA SSD.

          https://www.kingston.com/en/blog/pc-...e/nvme-vs-sata
          Correct. NVMe is memory on the PCIe bus. With the proper driver it can be used as a disk. Or not. This is easily seen with modern Linux, where one can take any number of identical NVMe devices and synthesize them into a single, or multiple RAID or disk instances. Then a disk-ish driver is loaded, then a filesystem driver is loaded, then a boot target and structure.

          Early on I used the HP Quadro cards to hold 4 M.2 devices on a single U-type PCIe card. Later I used 4 2-TB M.2 devices on the 16-channel ASUS cards. With the fast NVMe-3 cards, this makes a good data drive.

          Two of these provides for 16T of fast storage. Combined with 128 GB of DDR4 memory, 16 xeon cores and a 2T SSD for boot, this was an adequate workstation.

          I really liked the combo of 386 GB of memory on 4 separate PCIe buses, and 96 Xeon cores. Yes, there was NUMA traffic, but the fully populated DDR4 and "enough" memory made for good context switching performance. Forcing the use of 2M pages made for a radical (sometimes 100:1) reduction in startup time for big applications.
          What about the 19th? Can the Commerce Clause be used to make it illegal for voting women to buy shoes from another state?

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