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  • #16
    Robotron2k84
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2017
    • 2013

    Embedded Linux and Android are worlds apart. EL is still mostly a Linux system with a squashed boot loader, Android is targeted for a smaller footprint that needs to take CPU accounting and power profiles into account. I.e. while you can put OSS servers on Android, they have no awareness of the special considerations of the platform.

    EL is much simpler, just a skinnier version of a normal server. In the case of routers, the platform is about as powerful as a ‘90s Pentium, but memory and I/O are much slower. Sacrifices to operate in a < 20W footprint. Luckily 32-bit ARM and MIPSel binaries are tiny by modern comparison. The largest binary I have is Perl and its all of 4 megs, where it’s upwards of 20 on x86 when built as monolithic. RISC CPU’s are great for embedded.

    The build environment uses the existing ipkg system and the packages are built to altroot depending on if they are being included in the trx file or added post-flash to an external file system. So, I can just tick off the packages to include and they all are bundled into the firmware. In that case, you need configuration files. That presents some challenges. You can employ JFFS as part of the MTD layout and store configs there, mapped to /jffs or if the config data is small enough, NVRAM has a facility to write out files to /etc on boot. Easiest is if I know that there will be storage attached is to redirect config files to /opt. As of now, I don’t have plugins for the GUI menu system to configure the servers that I add, and they are text UI over SSH only.

    Overlaying config files is sort of an art, as well, EL has a really crude init, so I usually keep my own that manages the firewall and is a bit more robust than what comes with the build environment.

    As for the binary packages, this is the toughest part, because you are porting to a target that not every software project supports. You have to know a decent amount of programming in some cases to build the patches to compile, Apache, for instance.

    In any event, it’s not a system that is flexible enough to switch between models of installation (stand alone, storage attached), so a new build needs to be made for when things change too much. The MTD is just too small to build a fully configured Linux system that is that flexible.

    Otherwise, it’s just like configuring a normal Linux server, except that you have to use ebtables and vlan configurations more and need to know how to configure NVRAM for your uses.

    But, you can Tl;dr this whole post and just install one of the firmware offerings from WRT, Tomato, DD and with relative confidence have a more stable system than from the vendor. I recommend Advanced Tomato if you want to get started. Just make sure to go to their list of supported devices to check and make sure what you want is listed.

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    • #17
      RickD427
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jan 2007
      • 9263

      Go with the Porter-Cable 690. It may be a little old, but its always been the classic standard. Hard to improve upon.
      If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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      • #18
        the86d
        Calguns Addict
        • Jul 2011
        • 9587

        Originally posted by RickD427
        Go with the Porter-Cable 690. It may be a little old, but its always been the classic standard. Hard to improve upon.
        I didn't say 80% ROOTER.

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        • #19
          the86d
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2011
          • 9587

          Originally posted by Anonymous_Ghost
          Motorola makes the best radios. Period. They have combo options and individual router/modem options. Won't use another brand, they work fantastic.
          I never really thought about Motorola, they are not typically even on the radar, but should be, as wireless IS what they do! Motorola AC2600 @ $99 very reasonable too. Thanks for the input, they are now on my list, and I doubt they would be OC'ing their proc...

          I'd like to hear what Robotron thinks about Morotola routers before I pull the trigger on this.

          I am also considering the Nighthawk AC2600 (R7450), even though I have no other 802.11AC MIMO hardware.

          This Netgear R6080 router I take when I travel isn't bad, and keeps up for the time-being:


          AND just an FYI: Telling your son that you are going to throttle his Internet speeds helps get the lawn mowed, & the dishes done too!
          Last edited by the86d; 10-09-2019, 6:29 AM.

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          • #20
            wpage
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2011
            • 6071

            The motorola MT7711 looks interesting. Reviews are good...
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            • #21
              Robotron2k84
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2017
              • 2013

              The Motorola stand-alone routers are mostly rebranded D-link models with worse software. Motorola doesn’t make consumer products themselves.

              Their DOCSIS/combined devices are not consumer products as they are tail-end cable infrastructure.

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              • #22
                357manny
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2016
                • 1676

                Need a new router... seeking opinions for sub ~$175, NO ASUS

                Wow. A whole nother subculture of modding and tweaking. Cool.

                The last time I programmed any kind of comm device, was configuring remote terminal servers to call home to the mother ship, via 52k baud modems.
                20 years ago....

                PS. Another vote for the Netgear Nighthawk series.
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                • #23
                  bacon_lover
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 819

                  Originally posted by 357manny
                  Wow. A whole nother subculture of modding and tweaking. Cool.

                  The last time I programmed any kind of comm device, was configuring remote terminal servers to call home to the mother ship, via 52k baud modems.
                  20 years ago....

                  PS. Another vote for the Netgear Nighthawk series.
                  I still remember when I upgraded from a no-name 2400 baud modem to a US Robotics 9600 HST.


                  I used to be partial to Linksys before their acquisition by Cisco, but the last EA router I had was a POS until I installed dd-wrt.

                  +1 on the Netgear Nighthawk line.
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                  • #24
                    DrjonesUSA
                    Veteran Member
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 4680

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                    • #25
                      rice_man
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 1112

                      Solid choices here. I have a hybrid with Netgear serving as the router to al the wired connections and then two Upiquiti access points plugged into the network to handle the wireless connections throughout the property
                      Stop calling them Lawmakers. It only encourages them.

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                      • #26
                        DrjonesUSA
                        Veteran Member
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 4680

                        Originally posted by rice_man
                        Solid choices here. I have a hybrid with Netgear serving as the router to al the wired connections and then two Upiquiti access points plugged into the network to handle the wireless connections throughout the property
                        Thanks!

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                        • #27
                          the86d
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 9587

                          Originally posted by DrjonesUSA
                          ...
                          - Ubiquiti. Very, VERY Good quality small business / home networking gear.
                          Don't these require a proprietary software install to setup or reconfig, not the run of the mill Web interface?

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                          • #28
                            DrjonesUSA
                            Veteran Member
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 4680

                            Originally posted by the86d
                            Don't these require a proprietary software install to setup or reconfig, not the run of the mill Web interface?

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                            • #29
                              the86d
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 9587

                              Originally posted by 357manny
                              Wow. A whole nother subculture of modding and tweaking. Cool.

                              The last time I programmed any kind of comm device, was configuring remote terminal servers to call home to the mother ship, via 52k baud modems.
                              20 years ago....

                              PS. Another vote for the Netgear Nighthawk series.
                              ATDT18002224922. I can't believe I remembered that BBS phone number to National Board of Education .... I think it is sex talk line now...
                              Last edited by the86d; 10-11-2019, 6:11 AM.

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                              • #30
                                the86d
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 9587

                                Welp, I dropped about $15 more than it WAS priced, as it is now $161.63 (after tax) for the NETGEAR Nighthawk AC2600 Smart WiFi Router (R7450).

                                We'll see how she chooches,

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