ryzen7 pre built

[osis32]

yes I could build my own but between sourcing parts and buying an os license this price is really good. I have some Amazon gift cards but I'm open to comparable rigs. curious for input from you guys.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B075VQQ659/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

[Mossy Man]

What's the intended purpose?

[Mossy Man]

CyberpowerPC is okay value-wise, but their power supplies are notoriously bad.

I've heard some horror stories of them being no-name 850w supplies that have fried components.

If you are doing productivity work, the Ryzen 1700x is a great CPU, but for gaming, it's pretty lackluster, with IPC being about 7% behind Skylake/Kabylake/Coffeelake, and combined with already lower frequency and inability to easily overclock (most can't break the 4ghz wall without really high voltages, if at all).

My main criticisms is:

1. Power supply is weak, at least the ones that have the no-name ones.
2. 8GB RAM might be too little for productivity tasks. It's okay for gaming, but in 2017 you should have 16GB.
3. No SSD. In 2017, you're really bottlenecking all of your hardware without one.

[osis32]

just a new gaming rig mostly. light video work if I get time but mostly just to play old games from like 2014 but will play newer ones at 1080p

[osis32]

well I was planning to upgrade ram right off the bat. my old rig was an 8120 with gtx560 so this would be a huge upgrade for me. I've looked at 7700 rigs but they're way overpriced now that the eighth gen has come out. I was looking to buy after the gen 2ryzens came out hoping to save another couple hundred bucks.

[Mossy Man]

I'd recommend intel for gaming in every instance. It's a little more expensive, but if you don't plan on upgrading soon, in the long run, a powerful intel will last you much longer.

Take a look at the older AMD chips like the Vishera vs. the Sandybridge. Current Ryzen IPC is barely better than Sandybridge and that tech is over 6 years old.

[Mossy Man]

well I was planning to upgrade ram right off the bat. my old rig was an 8120 with gtx560 so this would be a huge upgrade for me. I've looked at 7700 rigs but they're way overpriced now that the eighth gen has come out. I was looking to buy after the gen 2ryzens came out hoping to save another couple hundred bucks.

The best bang for your buck right now is the i5-8400 Coffeelake.

Turbo boost to 4.0ghz, 6 core CPU.

This one is WAY better buy for just a little bit more ($999.99):

https://www.amazon.com/CUK-Switch-77-Desktop-Computer/dp/B077HZHDFG/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1514427598&sr=1-9&keywords=i5-8400+gaming+pc

Better gaming, but worse productivity (but still has 6 cores)
8GB more RAM
128GB SSD (HUGE difference)
EVGA power supply

Here's an aggregated score in gaming, with a very high level GPU to remove that as the bottleneck:


As you can see, the Ryzen's are all on the bottom.

It doesn't look like a lot, but later on down the line, that difference will mean a lot more.

[Mossy Man]

Here's another one:



While very few people play at 720p, it shows the relative power of the processor. In 3 years, the Ryzen won't be able to keep up with new GPUs. The i5-8400 will.

[vintagearms]

Look at Vanquish line at Digital Storm. A little more money but better power supply and great customer service.

[jdfthetech]

I would not buy this and here is why:

No RAM speed noted - should be DDR at 3200 mhz
Graphics card is garbage - need at least a GTX 1070
Power supply is garbage
No SSD
No M.2 drive
B350 chipset (you want 370)

It will work for your uses, but it's not a good PC and you'll probably replace it in 2 years because you can't upgrade it very cost effectively.

edit:

as an aside in response to the Intel posts:

Posting intel speeds etc and comparing to Ryzen is simply silly.
The cost per performance is miles ahead with Ryzen.
You won't get the fastest CPU, but you will get a CPU that can handle multithreading at ridiculous speeds (with fast enough RAM and a good M.2)
Ryzen is by far and above a more cost effective rendering / multi CPU chugging machine IMHO.
This is especially true if you do any multi-threaded work like programming (for emulations), blender renders or video rendering.

[Mossy Man]

I would not buy this and here is why:

No RAM speed noted - should be DDR at 3200 mhz
Graphics card is garbage - need at least a GTX 1070
Power supply is garbage
No SSD
No M.2 drive
B350 chipset (you want 370)

It will work for your uses, but it's not a good PC and you'll probably replace it in 2 years because you can't upgrade it very cost effectively.

edit:

as an aside in response to the Intel posts:

Posting intel speeds etc and comparing to Ryzen is simply silly.
The cost per performance is miles ahead with Ryzen.
You won't get the fastest CPU, but you will get a CPU that can handle multithreading at ridiculous speeds (with fast enough RAM and a good M.2)
Ryzen is by far and above a more cost effective rendering / multi CPU chugging machine IMHO.
This is especially true if you do any multi-threaded work like programming (for emulations), blender renders or video rendering.

Well for one, i did mention productivity being Ryzen's strength.

Cost for performance for today might be high. But over 3-5 years, history dictates that intel will be better value in the long run.

My friend's gone through 2 AMD chips since I got my Haswell, and even today, my Haswell with just a new GPU plays all games at high, while his FX series couldn't even compete forcing him to go Ryzen. Hell, even people with Sandy Bridges are barely justifying upgrading as they still pull off gaming well, and that came out in 2011.

Here's a 6 year old intel vs. a Ryzen 5 1600:


Here's one that shows more of the Sandry Bidge's age:


But even then, it's IMPRESSIVE that a 6 year old CPU can keep up in many games with new tech.

For comparison, here's the same Ryzen vs. AMD's previous generation, which came out in 2013, 2 years AFTER the Sandybridge:


I mean, to each their own, but my opinion is that if you don't like upgrading often, go intel, but if you want a new rig every 2-3 years, get an AMD.

And with intel upping the core counts in its newest offerings, it's much easier sell for the Intel now.

[osis32]

I do not need a gtx1070. that's way overkill and would break my budget.

[Mossy Man]

I do not need a gtx1070. that's way overkill and would break my budget.

GPUs are overly expensive right now.

But if you have to pick, my opinion is the intel is the better choice for gaming and light productivity workloads.

[Kwikvette]

Build one bro!

If you need, I've got a Logitech G500S mouse, Logitech G710+ keyboard, and GTX770 2GB card you can have. Extra parts that I'll never use.

[osis32]

yeah I'm heavily considering your recommendation. to be fair I tend not to upgrade components and instead limp along with a mid range system for about 5 years until I upgrade the whole system. like I said I'm still on bulldozer right now. heck my browsing pc is a core 2 duo. I don't want a $3000 rig.