No one needs a new phone every two years

[NytWolf]

Sue Williams is late to the game.

That goes to say there is some truth to "they don't make 'em the way they used to". It's not that manufacturers have cheapened products to cut costs, but their engineering has become better to adapting lifecycles of products.

I watched a documentary several years ago (I mean 10 or more years ago) that said electronic devices nowadays are meant to be disposable. Manufacturers design devices with an average life expectancy based on the average person's cycle of refresh. This goes from everyday small electronics to large appliances to cars.

Even car manufacturers have engineered new automobiles to last about 7 years based on studies that say car buyers keep their new vehicles about 7 years. That number may have changed since the documentary aired, but the practice hasn't changed.

[user120312]

I have never needed to replace a cell phone. I still have an old bag phone, brick phone, flip phones etc. I have just wanted to get newer more advanced phones. I have an original iPhone and most of the step up versions. They all still work fine.

Yeah, my box of old stuff doesn't go back that far (bag phone) but I have a couple that are close to 20 years old and out of curiosity I tried powering them up (with their chargers) when boxing them up for the move to a free state and, heh, they powered up and found the local Verizon tower.

Myself, I'm only on my third phone since 1997 and that was mainly due to the move, not anything else. I needed cellular data and a way to tether my computer to the phone and my old Moto flip phone, a decade old at the time, wouldn't do that so I got a then new Moto Droid Turbo and we'll see how long it lasts. So far, now nearly two years in, it works great and the battery still lasts a couple days in normal use (not data/screen heavy).

Yeah, people don't need stuff but, heh, people want stuff. Good thing for those who makes stuff. Want makes the world go around, commerce-wise.

[dchang0]

OP:

If you feel bad about filling up landfills, just check out what we do with our food produce:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect

Half of the US' food produce (fruits/vegetables) are thrown away because the market demands perfect blemish-free produce.

The market operates in funny ways because humans behave in funny ways at the individual level and at the aggregate. You pick the shiniest apple out of a pile of apples; everyone else does it too; and, next thing you know, half of all the apples grown are being thrown out.

Same with Apple products (pun intended).

[norcalAF]

Moore's law outpaces the hardware every 18 months and as someone else pointed out previously, constant software updates do the rest.

Thanks for posting the thread OP, reminds me that it's time to upgrade my 18 month old phone. Got a small crack in the screen of my Samsung Galaxy Note 3. I think I'm going with the Motorola Droid Turbo 2 this time, supposedly has a screen that can't be destroyed even if you run it over with a truck.

-Mark

My wife loves her turbo 2

[norcalAF]

OP:

If you feel bad about filling up landfills, just check out what we do with our food produce:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect

Half of the US' food produce (fruits/vegetables) are thrown away because the market demands perfect blemish-free produce.

The market operates in funny ways because humans behave in funny ways at the individual level and at the aggregate. You pick the shiniest apple out of a pile of apples; everyone else does it too; and, next thing you know, half of all the apples grown are being thrown out.

Same with Apple products (pun intended).

With as far as produce is concerned, if I'm paying by weight, wouldn't I want the perfect fruit?

[steelrain82]

Actually, google nexus tablets come in lte versions as well. And I agree with the bs that cellular companies pull on non Apple phones. However, Apple does a lot to start removing older phones from the market , through their software updates. And they limit/restrict what you are allowed to do with "their" device

I asked a valid question.

I was not complaining. I never complained.

this thread should be moved.

Now that is done, the correct answer is to get an iPhone 6s. The iPhone 6s is the second fastest smart phone on the market today. The only phone that Is faster is the Samsung galaxy s7. Google / Samsung and AT&T will not give you more the 14 months of updates. If a serious flaw comes out, like GODLESS , Hummingbird , a lock screen bug, StageFright, ETc. Good luck getting a fix. AT&T will just tell you to wait a whole year for a fix. Or you will never get a fix and go buy a new one.

With apple you can go to the Genius Bar where they will for free , help you with your iphone
With samsung, if you need any help. The AT&T store will lock their door, and either tell you to go to their special customer support AT&T store or spend $150 at geek squad

The iphone gets 4 years of software updates.

If microsoft needed explicit permission from DELL and COMCAST for a Windows 7 Service pack, or a security patch, you guys would revolt. But if google can't update your phone without the cooperation of Samsung and AT&T then thats okay. An android phone not getting the latest version of android, might simply because you bought it for the wrong carrier.

android claims they are open , yet every single feature they have like "find my droid" and "Samsung pay" needs the green light of the phone company. If the phone company does not approve Samsung's version of activation lock, AT&T tells Samsung their phone will not be allowed to be used on their network. Samsung knows that AT&T is the second largest carrier in the United States, so they are bullied into removing it.

The iPhone 6s is a world phone. If you buy the unlocked versions (a1633 and a634) these phones are supported by every single carrier in the world. These phones will work on AT&T, Verizon, sprint, and t-mobile. These phones have 23 LTE bands. They even have band 27, which is a LTE band no one is even using yet.

If you buy a cheap android phone, like the LG g3 ( g3 stands for 3 channels) then you have to buy the spefic version for AT&T or Verizon.

You can bring unlocked LTE Verizon phones to AT&T but you can't bring AT&T phones to Verizon. The phone 5c was the very first phone on the market that allowed AT&T and Verizon switching. They had it before the google nexus phones

Everyone was mad about bendgate and the iPhone 6 which hand a bend and apple specifically addressed this and corrected in the 6s phones

But what has google done? Their 5x and 6p phones are even more bendable then the 6 was, and the people who have android phones put up with it.

If you have an iphone, chances are they will be a bug discovered. And apple will fix this bug. If you have an android phone, chances are that a bug will be never fixed

Verizon and AT&T are making money convincing you that you need turn in your phones. And finance new phones.

An unlocked 6s will never need to be turned in or sold for 5 years. Because apple will support it. And because one model runs on every single carrier and 23 lte bands.

How about tablets?
Microsoft was too afraid to sell cellular in their surface. They had an exclusive deal with AT&T. After the surface 2 cellular was removed. Google had this deal where you buy a chrome book, you got free data from Verizon. Well. No more. Of all the chrome books sold today, only one company is still making cellular models.
Asus just came out with the Cellular enabled z8, but guess what, its a Verizon exclusive. Sony came out with their playstation VITA that was locked to AT&T , and will never see any kind of unlock what so ever. The playstation VITA's Cellular function was so much a flop, that they removed Skype and Maps and near from their firmware. But they kept that AT&T simlock! They wanted the $5 from AT&T if anyone was stupid to sign up.

meanwhile to this day apple is the only company manufacturing cellular tablets. And their cellular tablets are as universal as the iPhones. They have the same radios and LTE bands functionality. Yet everyone says android is "better".

The point I am trying to make , is as long as the operating system doesnt get too bloated , with an iPhone 6s, you are never going to have to trade it in. It will probably be good for 10 years. They will probably have 10 years of parts for it

Look at how long they had parts for the iPod classic, and you can get a pretty good guess on how long a timeline the iPhone will be good for


Now lets talk about APRU. Its called Average Profit peR Unit sold. Apple's complaint is they try to boost profit by charging $100 for 16 gb.

Compare that to what AT&T and Verizon does to android. , they take money from candy crush and facebook and put links on your phone. They put advertisements on your lock screen, I had a samsung s6 and I had Voice mail messages from sprint telling me to sign up for "advocats". I had a warning on my Samsung phone warning me that if I check the weather more then one time every 6 hours I will be charged for it.

Back in the old days of the 80386 we had companies like compaq selling windows 3.0 with hundreds of bloatware apps. They used to real pile it on. People got mad about it
And companies don't preinstall hundred games on their computers anymore. Flash forward to 2016, and android and AT&T and Verizon are doing this to you , and no one cares. Everyone wants to talk about how apple puts the watch or books app on their phones, but if Verizon puts 15 of their apps on their version of the Samsung, then thats fine. Android is good and apple is evil.


The worst thing about android is "permissions". If you accept one permission for an app. You are forced to every single one. There is no way to turn off a permission. When you load an app for the very first time, you are giving it access to almost every part of your phone. And there is nothing you can do about it

With an iphone, I can choose not to give facebook my entire telephone book. With adndroid you can't.

The phone companies tell android what they can and cannot have, they tell android what channels they have, they even tell android how much the phone will cost. And how dare people say android is "more open"

How can android be more open if AT&T is holding a gun to Samsung's head and telling them they can't black list their devices because AT&T wants to make money off of stolen phones?

The phone company tells android this is what we want and if you don't like it stick it

Apple tells the phone company this is what WE want and if you don't like it stick it

The only good thing about android is they have more sources for apps. Yeah it kind of sucks not being able to run a TRS80 emulator on the iphone because of their no emulator policy, but I am already worried about by windows pc getting a virus, I don't want to start worrying about my phone

I asked a simple question. Can we please move this thread ? And I feel you were being rude to me. So I decided to fight back with a manifesto on how android sucks.

With android you are your device's janitor, with an iphone, you are your device's owner.

[Jimi Jah]

I'm on my second cell phone after all these years after I lost the first one. It's a military version Motorola 305 "flip phone". Had it over 10 years. I see no reason to replace it.

My sister got a fancy "smart phone". It does everything but one thing, it won't recieve phone calls.

Guess who's laughing?

[the86d]

I'm on my second cell phone after all these years after I lost the first one. It's a military version Motorola 305 "flip phone". Had it over 10 years. I see no reason to replace it.

My sister got a fancy "smart phone". It does everything but one thing, it won't recieve phone calls.

Guess who's laughing?

Is she on AT&T...
or is she on Sprint?

[freonr22]

I ha e a s3 galaxy and the display isnt very bright. And texting or emailing pics dont get compressed so its limited. Would love an s7. Cant fathom the $600. Gone are the days of $200 phones. Verizon user. They suck the.most expensive but the best coverage for my use

Is there something coming better than s7?

[Zorba]

And $200 is a "good" price?

I paid $35 for mine!

[Jimi Jah]

My "flip phone" was free. I use it with fashion sense. It's hidden from view to avoid laughter.

However, it's never made a single "butt call".

[67Cuda]

Got an iPhone 6, going to upgrade as soon as I can to the newest. Don't like it, shove it.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Welcome to the party pal. Cars, tv's, etc

[bigdawg86]

I ha e a s3 galaxy and the display isnt very bright. And texting or emailing pics dont get compressed so its limited. Would love an s7. Cant fathom the $600. Gone are the days of $200 phones. Verizon user. They suck the.most expensive but the best coverage for my use

Is there something coming better than s7?

The moto z... I'm getting either the s7 edge or the moto z. The only thing I really like is the wireless charging of the s7, otherwise both are solid contenders

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[DNA]

Wireless charging is a slow charging gimmick. Stick with corded QC 3.0 chargers and call it a day. Why wirelessly charge for 3 hours when you can wire charge in an hour?

Dan