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  • JoshuaS
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 1617

    Striker Fire development

    I like reading the history of things, studying designs. What many do not realize is that striker fire is an old design. The FN1900 was striker fired, so was the first semiauto handgun the Borchardt C-93 (in 1893). Looking at the designs, I find no innovations or improvements in modern striker fired guns over older designs (like the Baby Browning), and hence no reason why we went to hammer fired but then back to striker fired as popular.

    Going to hammer fired was seen as an improvement. And for good reason. Using a slide action worked better with a hammer, was easier to design and required less of the recoil spring making the gun easier to rack and more reliable (as springs lasted longer).

    Striker fired also has a higher risk of light strikes. And using a heavier striker spring requires also a heavier recoil spring (since on cocking, it is the counter tension that cocks the striker). Or you have a true DA striker, and the trigger pull is heavier. Now with modern striker fired guns, they hit hard enough. But whether a Glock, or Smith or Ruger you can kill that reliability by lubricating the striker channel

    Now consider that, while we had primers without mercury at the very beginning of the 20th century, they had potassium chlorate which, when used produced potassium chloride. In any conditions of 50% humidity or more (such as even Arizona has when there is dew) the gun gets destroyed. You had to clean the gun and then clean it again.

    Striker fired may be simpler, but it does have small crevices, gaps. Further, you had to wash out the whole gun and oil it. If you were smart you washed it out with water. Potassium chloride was only soluble in water (many expensive cleaners in the day were emulsification that had water to dissolve the salt). But water itself causes corrosion, so you oil. But lubrication on the striker makes for a risk of light strikes.

    So it struck me that what probably allowed for a return to striker fire not so much an improvement in design/materials (though the ease of machining smaller parts helps), but in the use of non-corrosive ammunition, which allows for an easy maintenance that does not impact reliability.
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    RobertMW
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 2117

    Originally posted by JoshuaS
    So it struck me that what probably allowed for a return to striker fire not so much an improvement in design/materials (though the ease of machining smaller parts helps), but in the use of non-corrosive ammunition, which allows for an easy maintenance that does not impact reliability.
    It's all a big cycle. Better propellents needed better guns, which needed better bullets, which needed better propellents, which...

    It's going to keep happening until physics and chemistry lead us to an apex of the technology branch. The only way to move on from there is a technological diversion.
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    • #3
      drclark
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 1775

      Has there been any new innovation in operating principles in the last 50 years or more. Seems that the basic operating principles of modern firearms were developed rapidly after the development of a practical self-contained cartridge. Most of the recent developments have been materials, manufacturing processes and optics/sights.

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      • #4
        GW
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2004
        • 16078

        Originally posted by drclark
        Has there been any new innovation in operating principles in the last 50 years or more. .
        Remington's etronx comes to mind
        Electronic ignition
        Ahead of its time IMHO.
        It failed.
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        • #5
          deerdeerdeer
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2014
          • 2696

          Taurus Curve probably more futuristic guns to be out. Same mechanics different build/look.

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          • #6
            JoshuaS
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2012
            • 1617

            Originally posted by drclark
            Has there been any new innovation in operating principles in the last 50 years or more. Seems that the basic operating principles of modern firearms were developed rapidly after the development of a practical self-contained cartridge. Most of the recent developments have been materials, manufacturing processes and optics/sights.
            I can't think of any. Seems like the last 50 years, and even longer really, have been nothing more than slight variations on the theme, as it were. Perfecting the smaller details. Glock succeeded, e.g., in bringing production costs way down (hence they have one of the highest cost of production to retail price ratios, because other makers of similar quality spend more to manufacture)

            Powder hasn't changed almost at all since the late 1940's. Heck the powder I just bought was on the market then, and was a new version then of an older powder before it. Non-corrosive primers that also lacked mercury took to the 1930's, though it was only in 1949 that the US army found one they liked (meeting storage and reliability requirements)

            Mechanisms haven't changed much. Jim Sullivan, though, has redesigned the M4 to have a "constant recoil action" and a slower cyclic rate. But even that is 30 year old technology (he developed it with the Ultimax 100 originally... Jim Sullivan btw was the guy who scaled down the AR-10 to the AR-15)

            Lasers, optics, etc those have seen a lot of change.

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