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  • battleship
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 4958

    Do i need a mil dot reticle scope or cross hair.

    Thinking about buying a Trijjcon accupoint 5x20-50 scope for my 308 semi auto rifle.
    This rifle will only see the 100 yard range for that weekend warrior trip to the local range. There could be future exceptions if i get out to a 1000 yard range.
    But none are close to me.
    I don't hunt just plink with the big 308.
    I want that magnification to see the target up close and personnel as my eye sight is not that great.
    I typically only shoot the cheap stuff PMC and Mag Tech. Maybe some cheaper federal blue box or Winchester white box, i dont have the cash for the heavier grain rounds you find with Black hills and others.
    I know there are many guys like me at the range i see there rifles and the ammo they use, all on the 100 yard range, cool toys no other practical use.
    With that said i don't need you hard core guys giving me reasons as to why i don't need that magnification.

    Getting back to the title will mil dot serve me in any way, doing mathematical calculations employing the mil dot system would never come into play and if i am honest seems to complicated for me at this new juncture. And there seems no reason to calculate hold overs unless i am on 500 to 1000 yard range shooting the premium ammo.

    I am leaning towards the simple cross hair scope, zero in the scope at a hundred yards and shoot away. But i want your opinions because i see more mil dot scopes and mil dot talk at the range than the simple cross hair.
    And from what i have read most adjustable power scopes with mil dot can only be used in calculation at the very end of the magnification.

    I will be shooting paper targets not some ISIS wacko popping his head up over a wall.

    Then again is it best to always have the option of the mil dot vs the cross hair.

    Your advise will greatly help me decide.
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    SB1964
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2012
    • 4876

    Appreciate your honesty. I bought my Tikka .308 for a hunting gun & put a Leopold 3X9X40 on it. I will say at the 100yd indoor I wish I had more magnification. I tend to shoot 1MOA with a target I can see clearly, IE horizontal/vertical larger outlines than the smaller, harder to see targets. Nearly everyone says "more light" is better, as in a fixed 3-5 power, but I'm not so sure. Even a guy at a local gunshop who says he's shot 100+ pigs says the same thing 3x9x40 or a lesser "fixed power" maybe they're all 20-35 years old, I'm starting to believe that. All I can say is that the better I see it, the better I hit it. OR, you can't hit, what you cant see. Keep in mind, I'm very happy with my rifle, just not so sure what everyone says. It's an accurate gun, in fact would love to see other guys shoot it. I do know the intended purpose of said firearm is key.
    Last edited by SB1964; 01-26-2015, 1:24 AM.
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    • #3
      ExtremeX
      Calguns Addict
      • Sep 2010
      • 7160

      It sounds like you have already made up your mind in regards to which scope you want to get... Trijicon makes good products and if you have your heart set on the AccuPoint 5-20x50 then I see no reason NOT to get the TR23-2 which is the mil-dot version. Considering all 3 reticle options are pretty much the same price, I don’t see a downside unless you want the color RED which is only available in the TR23 triangle reticle.

      TR23-2 (mildot) vs TR23-1 (crosshair) is pretty much the same reticle, it just has additional reference points which are graduated in 1 MIL increments which could come in useful if you just want to use them as points for things like hold over shooting or to measure correction (how much you missed by).

      I know you said you have a very basic shooting style… To be honest, with the type of shooting you do, you can probably get away with a lot less and save a ton of cash. Take the Vortex Viper HS-T 6-24x50 for example… < $650 and its going to do everything that Trijicon scope can do minus the fiber optic illuminated center, and gives you an extra 4x on the top end.

      Only thing I would add to that is for $1200-$1300… you have other options to consider within the same/similar magnification range (5-20x50 / 6-24x50) … The AccuPoint line is pretty dated when you consider what else you can get today for the same price…
      ExtremeX

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      • #4
        rg_1111@yahoo.com
        Calguns Addict
        • Feb 2003
        • 5722

        If your eyesight not that good. How you going to see the little Mil Dot's. For a 100 yards crosshairs is good enough.

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        • #5
          Jimi Jah
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2014
          • 18677

          You can adjust the scope focus to fit your eyesite. I prefer crosshairs, less crap blocking the target. The finer the better for long distance.

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          • #6
            kcheung2
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 4387

            There's a big difference between 100 yds and 1000 yds. For your typical 100 yd range trips, any $300+ scope with any type of reticle will serve you well. But if you're going out to 1000 yards, then yes you'll need to pay up for quality glass & you'll need to learn your holdovers & that's where mildots help.

            The question only you can answer is how often these hypothetical 1000 yard shots will be. If it's more of a "nice to have" option then you could save your money and buy more ammo instead. Speaking of which, if you're trying for these 500-1000 yard shots, quality ammo makes a big difference.
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            "There is no "best." If there was, everyone here would own that one, and no other." - DSB

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            • #7
              MoBait
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 539

              Mil-dot will give you ranging and holdover capabilities. As long as your variable power scope has a first focal plane (FFP) reticle, then the mil-dots are accurate across the magnification range. If it is a second focal plane (SFP) reticle, it is only accurate at a specific magnification level.

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              • #8
                heidad01
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 4902

                Originally posted by MoBait
                Mil-dot will give you ranging and holdover capabilities. As long as your variable power scope has a first focal plane (FFP) reticle, then the mil-dots are accurate across the magnification range. If it is a second focal plane (SFP) reticle, it is only accurate at a specific magnification level.
                ^^^ Very good point. But the dots are there and you can estimate the distance at the magnification that is right for that purpose.

                If you have a choice and can afford it, get the mil dot. I always buy the highest or near highest magnification scope considering other options (size, length, weight, etc.). You do not have to use it at the highest/ max mag, but it is there at the twist of a ring if you need it.

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                • #9
                  toby
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 10576

                  Do you need one, no
                  Will one help you, if you know how to use it
                  Are they all the same, not even
                  Are they expensive, good ones are

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                  • #10
                    shortround1
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 993

                    There are many more than 2 reticle choices out there. Since you don't seem to care, just get one and go with it.

                    --You don't need good eyesight to see clearly through a magnified scope. If you don't believe me, take your glasses off, look through a set of binoculars and focus it until you see crisp and clear.
                    Last edited by shortround1; 01-26-2015, 9:54 PM.
                    So um... moon labia or something.

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