How does PPT ...

[OmegaTrader]

Not sure if this is the right thread to post. Since I come here, I visit only this thread, the long gun, and the private sales most of the time, so I post it here. If it's not the correct forum, please move.

Anyway, how exactly does a PPT work? My understanding is that I show up with a check or cash and pay it to the seller while he leaves his gun with the FFL. Then 10 days later, I come and pick it up. Does that sound right? During most PPT transactions, buyers are the ones to pay for dros unless prior arrangement has been discussed.

What's the role of the FFL here? Is he there to do the dros only or being an escrow agent too? In other words, if there's a problem with the transaction for unforeseen reason, and we (buyer & seller) decide to forgo the transaction, do I get my $$ back? and how much?

[96snake]

From what I understand, the ffl is just there to perform the transfer. The Arrangement between you and the seller for money or a trade or whatever else is on you. In my experience, the buyer usually pays any and all transfer fees. I have never had a problem so I couldn't tell you how that would get resolved, but I would suggest not dealing with anyone shady to start with.

[Librarian]

The FFL is not acting as an escrow agent; he has no responsibility beyond enforcing CA law on the transaction.

See also the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Pr...Party_Transfer

[_TomT_]

Wait till you don't have to wait 10 days, then it will be easier to do PPT.

[OmegaTrader]

From what I understand, the ffl is just there to perform the transfer. The Arrangement between you and the seller for money or a trade or whatever else is on you. In my experience, the buyer usually pays any and all transfer fees. I have never had a problem so I couldn't tell you how that would get resolved, but I would suggest not dealing with anyone shady to start with.

Thanks.

The FFL is not acting as an escrow agent; he has no responsibility beyond enforcing CA law on the transaction.

See also the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Pr...Party_Transfer

Thanks Librarian. I'll contact the FFL to clarify a few things like do I pay the seller right then or when I come and for pick up. My guess is that I pay when he leaves the gun with the FFL.

Wait till you don't have to wait 10 days, then it will be easier to do PPT.

When is that again? March 2015, correct?

[trigger945]

You normally pay before you even start the DROS. That is not a rule but is usually the cadence.

Then, you come back at least 10 24-hour periods and no more than 30 24-hour periods after the DROS to pick it up.

Hope this helps.

[SkyHawk]

Yes, you pay the seller before you even start paperwork. I will not allow paperwork to start when I sell a gun via PPT until cash money is in my hands.

And if there is any problem with your DROS, and you get delayed or denied, that is not the sellers fault. Don't expect to get your money back. Once you agree to buy and the money leaves your hand and the DROS is submitted, any subsequent problems are between you, the FFL, and the DOJ unless the gun comes back stolen.

If you are delayed or denied, some sellers will help you out and give you the money back after taking a stiff return fee off the top, because they are going to have to go through hoops and potentially make many more visits to the store and pay fees to get the gun back. But they are under no obligation to bail you out if DOJ denies you.

So be 100% certain you can pass the background check when buying via PPT, and when you show up to buy be sure you have everything you need like correct ID with current address and a secondary proof of address, safety certificates if required, etc.

[Sigbird]

Be aware about some sneaking, cheating and lying FFL's who break the law and try and charge you more then the maximum 35 dollars. Always call ahead and find out what they charge, so you can confirm that they only charge 35 for the PPT.

[Armed-Citizen]

Yes, you pay the seller before you even start paperwork. I will not allow paperwork to start when I sell a gun via PPT until cash money is in my hands.

And if there is any problem with your DROS, and you get delayed or denied, that is not the sellers fault. Don't expect to get your money back. Once you agree to buy and the money leaves your hand and the DROS is submitted, any subsequent problems are between you, the FFL, and the DOJ unless the gun comes back stolen.

If you are delayed or denied, some sellers will help you out and give you the money back after taking a stiff return fee off the top, because they are going to have to go through hoops and potentially make many more visits to the store and pay fees to get the gun back. But they are under no obligation to bail you out if DOJ denies you.

So be 100% certain you can pass the background check when buying via PPT, and when you show up to buy be sure you have everything you need like correct ID with current address and a secondary proof of address, safety certificates if required, etc.

from my understanding, i thought during transfers, they don't check whether a gun is stolen, or am i wrong??

[OmegaTrader]

from my understanding, i thought during transfers, they don't check whether a gun is stolen, or am i wrong??

Also what happen if the gun turns out to be stolen? How do I get my $$ back?

[rm1911]

Wait till you don't have to wait 10 days, then it will be easier to do PPT.

Sort of. Remember that the ruling said that the gun will be approved to be released following doj completion of the BCG and whatever else. The extra wait was considered undue burden. In some cases it takes a few hours. In some cases a few days.

So there's no guarantee that we'll ever see same day handgun purchases. And further, this is kalifornia, realm of tyrants, so make no mistake they will not release in timely fashion. They'll just take longer to complete the process. They'll just not issue the release. Then we'll have to sue again. And what will happen to those tyrants? Nothing. They know it. Will they be arrested and jailed? Nope. Nothing. They can go about their merry way imposing their sanguine will upon us and laugh all the way.

Remember this. All those court cases were the people suing the state. The state fought the people. The state is supposed to be the protectors of property and liberty but instead it is the great destroyer of it. Do you think those tyrants will go quietly into that goodnight just allowing us to enjoy our sacred freedoms?

[c-camp]

Are there taxes when going through PPT?

[edgerly779]

No taxes and if gun is stolen you get your money back from seller he is the one with stolen gun issues not you. $35 max plus handgun safety test if in this year plus gunlock.

[Librarian]

from my understanding, i thought during transfers, they don't check whether a gun is stolen, or am i wrong??

Also what happen if the gun turns out to be stolen? How do I get my $$ back?

The gun is checked against whatever list of stolen guns is available to DOJ.

As to getting money back, that might be a problem. Depends on the seller.

There are no taxes, because the money (other than the $35 DROS + PPT) goes to the seller, not the FFL.

And, since this isn't a 'handgun' question, moved to General Gun Discussions.

[SkyHawk]

from my understanding, i thought during transfers, they don't check whether a gun is stolen, or am i wrong??

Yes they check pistols for sure. Plenty of threads here about delays and denials on DROS because the pistol was listed stolen including during a PPT. Here is one comment from a FFL about such a transaction that occured: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...5&postcount=13

How do you get your money back if this happens to you? Well good luck. That is why dealing with reputable sellers is paramount. Of course FFL will have a photocopy of the seller ID, but they probably will not give it to you, only to law enforcement.