How Much Force Can He Use?

[forynot]

My brother called me last night and told me that him and his wife were watching TV and they heard a nock on the front door there was a girl standing their holding her eye and her shirt was covered in blood my sister-in-law got her a towel and asked what was going on she said my boyfriend and I were arguing and he hit me in the eye and said he was going to kill me they brought her in the apartment and called the police all of a sudden the girls boyfriend threw a Caption Morgan bottle through my brothers sliding glass window of his ground floor apartment and tried to climb over the wall on to his balcony the guy was so drunk the he couldn’t make it over the wall he started yelling into the apartment send the B**ch out or I’m coming in to get her within 6 minuets the Hemet Police showed up and took the guy in to custody.

Now the Question

How much Force Can he use to protect him self and his Family if the guy makes it over the wall and into his apartment?

He asked me to help him to go pick out a gun today.
Not knowing a lot about guns he said how about a 25acp (he had one before) I told him no you want something with a lot more stopping power I told him I thought the best home defense gun would be a pump shotgun in most cases just the cycling of the action would be enough to scare off most bad guys but I told him there would be consequences if he shot a killed someone that wasn’t armed. Just a Quick Note my Brother is handicapped and could in no way fight this guy

[Coat of Arms]

By any means necessary to stop the threat if your brother thought he or anyone in his HOUSE had the chance of being injured by this guy. The guy already showed that he doesn't care about anything if he punched his g/f in the face/throws a bottle threw your brothers window.


Thats how I see it

[hawk1]

Brother needs to get a restraining order on Monday, and today off to get a good handgun he can operate and use. Not sure what the disabling he has is but the shotgun may be too much for him to use or maneuver.
I know you'll help him out.

[RobG]

Whatever necessary to stop the potential threat.

6 minutes the Hemet Police showed up and took the guy in to custody.

This is exactly why one needs to be prepared to defend oneself.

[pullnshoot25]

Remember though that the assailant needs to actually enter the house and no further retreat is possible and can only shoot to stop the threat. Being that your brother is handicapped, he is already limited in retreat options.

I agree with hawk1, a handgun seems a better solution due to maneuverability.

Perhaps a .38 snubbie (big fan of revolvers due to simplicity), a copy of How to own a gun and stay out of jail to better outline the rules of engagement and a restraining order?

[Two Shots]

6 minutes is a lot of time to get knifed, shot, A** kicked etc. Have him get a restraining order, buy a handgun Nothing less then a 380acp or 38spec. If he can use a shotgun maybe a 20g or a 12g with low recoil rounds. Just make sure he gets trained and knows the laws when to shoot. Keep 911 on speed dial, Get your sister-in-law some pepper spray to keep on her person incase he sees her around the complex and starts trouble with her outside of the apartment. If he was drunk he may come over to tell your brother that he was just out of it and he is sorry or the opposite he may blame your brother for being arrested. Good luck

[Beelzy]

Uh oh!

Good luck with the new gun "needer".

I recommend a nice single shot shotgun and lop the barrel off to min. Legal
limit. Slugs or 00 buck of course.

[Blue]

Uh oh!

Good luck with the new gun "needer".

I recommend a nice single shot shotgun and lop the barrel off to min. Legal
limit. Slugs or 00 buck of course.

Nah, get a pumper. No fumbling around for shells in the heat of the moment.

[M. Sage]

How much Force Can he use to protect him self and his Family if the guy makes it over the wall and into his apartment?

Ready, aim, fire. Forcible entry into a home, threats that are believable since he just beat on his (hopefully ex now) girlfriend and an obviously hostile and aggressive posture. IMO, you'd be on very strong legal ground to use deadly force in that situation.

Your brother and his wife should absolutely file for a protective order against this guy, and hopefully the girl does the same. If he lives in the same apartment complex, I hope they can have him kicked out. Scary living next to someone like that.

Remember though that the assailant needs to actually enter the house and no further retreat is possible and can only shoot to stop the threat. Being that your brother is handicapped, he is already limited in retreat options.

What? There's no duty to retreat in California. In any place that you have a legal right to be, you can stand your ground. Somehow, I expect that someone's home qualifies as a place they'd have a legal right to be. Also, when someone illegally and forcibly enters your dwelling, if a prosecutor decides to make a case, it's on them to prove that you didn't act in self-defense instead of a regular self-defense shooting where you have to show that you did.

You can actually shoot out of your house in certain situations, obviously. If someone's trying to light your home on fire, for example, or if they have a gun and have obvious intent to fire into the home... I could go on.

Personally, if someone is armed and in the process of kicking my door in, I'm not going to wait for them to come inside.

I agree with hawk1, a handgun seems a better solution due to maneuverability.

Perhaps a .38 snubbie (big fan of revolvers due to simplicity), a copy of How to own a gun and stay out of jail to better outline the rules of engagement and a restraining order?

I agree that a handgun is probably the best option in an apartment, but I would not go with a snub-nose. They're designed for face-to-face encounters, not so much across-the-room shooting. I'd get a 4" revolver at least. If the OP's brother can handle the added complexity of an auto, that's definitely a route that has its advantages.

[leitung]

Remember though that the assailant needs to actually enter the house and no further retreat is possible and can only shoot to stop the threat. Being that your brother is handicapped, he is already limited in retreat options.

Sence when do we have a duty to retreat? My house, you come in, you have a weapon or threaten me, you get shot. I will give you every chance in the world to leave, but if you charge me or pull a weapon, say good night. But I will approach and confront you, I don't know the meaning of retreat.

[Backcountry]

How much Force Can he use to protect him self and his Family if the guy makes it over the wall and into his apartment?

Three words.....

Make

my

day!

[M. Sage]

But I will approach and confront you, I don't know the meaning of retreat.

Someone buy this man a dictionary!

http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/retreat

Sorry, I just had to.

Hmm, "a place of privacy or safety : refuge"... shouldn't that be my own living room, and shouldn't I have the right to enforce that "refuge" status with deadly force if someone invades it with ill intent? Oh, yeah... I do.

[Rascal]

Remember though that the assailant needs to actually enter the house and no further retreat is possible and can only shoot to stop the threat. Being that your brother is handicapped, he is already limited in retreat options.

I agree with hawk1, a handgun seems a better solution due to maneuverability.

Perhaps a .38 snubbie (big fan of revolvers due to simplicity), a copy of How to own a gun and stay out of jail to better outline the rules of engagement and a restraining order?

Can you show me where it says in law that retreat is a qualifier in a self defense situation?

[forynot]

[movie zombie]

i'd have him buy the .357 revolver and practice with .38's. save the .357 ammo for self defense.

might as well have the benefit of two calibers.

movie zombie