why is micro-stamping a no-go? Who says?

[The Last American Hero]

Do German engineering firms say "Can't be done" or are they just not interested and busy elsewhere?

Did someone try and fail?


PS-I'm not buying the 'single source' argument (if this was anything other than CA gun ban nonsense). Patents only protect the METHOD, not the RESULT, and using a hardened piece of metal to mark softer metal goes back thousands of years, and IIRC patent courts are supposed to be more forgiving if someone is doing something to meet a legal requirement(like DOT safety).





Single source

The technology that makes microstamping possible is proprietary property of a single company. The technology was invented and patented by Todd Lizotte and is presently owned by a company he founded called NanoMark, a division of TD Dynamics of Seattle, Washington.[17]

[guns4life]

It's too easily defeated and too easily manipulated of a system to be of any actual use.

[The Last American Hero]

It's too easily defeated and too easily manipulated of a system to be of any actual use.

I'm not talking about it value in the real world, I'm talking about "no guns will ever have it" argument.

"It wont help cops" isn't a valid argument against it for gun makers. They comply with lots of dumb laws like anyone else, on their way to making a buck.

[sd_shooter]

[09rubicon]

I'm not talking about it value in the real world, I'm talking about "no guns will ever have it" argument.

"It wont help cops" isn't a valid argument against it for gun makers. They comply with lots of dumb laws like anyone else, on their way to making a buck.

Its simple economics. There is not enough gained to justify the extra expense. Even though CA is a huge market, it is only a small part of the world market.

[ElvenSoul]

Go talk to Armatix. They might be busy what with their record setting gun sales!

[pdq_wizzard]

Do German engineering firms say "Can't be done" or are they just not interested and busy elsewhere?

Did someone try and fail?


PS-I'm not buying the 'single source' argument (if this was anything other than CA gun ban nonsense). Patents only protect the METHOD, not the RESULT, and using a hardened piece of metal to mark softer metal goes back thousands of years, and IIRC patent courts are supposed to be more forgiving if someone is doing something to meet a legal requirement(like DOT safety).


Single source

The technology that makes microstamping possible is proprietary property of a single company. The technology was invented and patented by Todd Lizotte and is presently owned by a company he founded called NanoMark, a division of TD Dynamics of Seattle, Washington.[17]

It can be done but also can fail with in 10 rounds fired (I have heard as low as 1). Would you spend thousands maybe 10's of thousands of $$$ to tool up for something that ..
1) will not last
2) is easily defeated
3) that only one state (at this time) requires?
4) lastly I believe the "betters" (not a cop bash, more to the ones making the rules) have exempted themselves so the manufacturers might have to tool up for the same gun twice.

[readysetgo]

What's the point of this question?

I'll give it a shot "Because nobody wants it?!" (Except foaming at the mouth anti's, unicorn loving utopians and apparently selfish gun owners who are concerned with what new "toy" they would like to pick up)

[Subotai]

We need a new law, pics of dead babies with gunshot wounds burned into the frames of all guns sold in California.

[MXRider]

Ever seen firing pin or striker wear? I'd be willing to bet after a few boxes of ammo the micro stamping would degrade until it wasn't legible. And as stated, it takes about 30 seconds to a minute or 2 to swap firing pins in many guns.

[xaerorazor]

The micro-stamping requirement, while the process is there, it's not mechanically sound as it would require a full redesign of a barrel to include the stamp/etching apparatus to place the mark in 2 places on the casing (Per CA PEN 31910(7)(A) ). These barrels would then only be sold in CA, and possibly in NJ. The overall prospect of that to a corporation, is nigh insurmountable as they'd only be serving maybe 10 million people. The costs are too much for the possible gain.

[bonusweb]

Ruger says its open to smart gun technologies, and other gun control issues. Glock and Biretta say no.

[sunrisefordrene]

I was under the impression that this microstamping was in the courts and probably soon overturned??

[Condorguns]

OP,
My questions is why implement micro stamping?

[IVC]

Did someone try and fail?

Yes. The guy who invented it tried and failed. Sure he patented a *prototype*, but even he cannot create a working system. Remember, it needs *two* different locations and the imprinting must be legible.

If it was just a matter of putting a fancy firing pin, all manufacturers would do it.