Lawsuits taking a run at the machine gun ban...

[John Browning]

If you have been out of the loop, the ATF backed themselves into a corner on several letters they issued on trusts being people. Long story short, the end result was that the ATF approved trusts to make new, transferable machine guns on Form 4s. Thats right, new, fully transferable, privately owned MACHINE GUNS.

ATF is now trying to bully the owners into surrendering their stamps. Owners are all very smart, and are now suing the ATF. If you are interested in the story, here is a link to Arfcom.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1624460_NOW_ACCEPTING_DONATIONS__ATF_approved_post_86_machine_guns_for_NFA_trusts__updated_10_11_14.html&page=1

If we can defeat the MG ban on a national level, there is certainly hope for more firearms related freedom everywhere.

[CK_32]

On small step for man, one giant leap for man kind.

[Sikvenum93]

Lmao i bet some people at the ATF got fired a couple days ago.

[John Browning]

Lmao i bet some people at the ATF got fired a couple days ago.

I don't think you understand how the ATF works. This wouldn't even make the top 100 dumb things they've done this year.

[Capybara]

ATF is the government. The government does pretty much whatever the hell they want, whose going to hold them accountable or stop them? They'll get those stamps back or make arrests. The lawsuit is a nice irritant but in the end, another branch of the government will back the ATF branch of the government. Can't have the minions legally making full auto toys can they?

[Sikvenum93]

I don't think you understand how the ATF works. This wouldn't even make the top 100 dumb things they've done this year.

Youre right. Ive been blessed to have never had any interactions with them so far and I hope to keep it that way

[MontClaire]

ATF is the government. The government does pretty much whatever the hell they want, whose going to hold them accountable or stop them? They'll get those stamps back or make arrests. The lawsuit is a nice irritant but in the end, another branch of the government will back the ATF branch of the government. Can't have the minions legally making full auto toys can they?

One important thing you guys all miss is that the government are just different people hired to do tasks. Nobody is super human, super smart or super powerful.

[Capybara]

One important thing you guys all miss is that the government are just different people hired to do tasks. Nobody is super human, super smart or super powerful.

Yes and no. Sure, the government is comprised of all humans that have human foibles. But governments are conceptually flawed, all of them. All they exist to do is curtail freedoms, regulate, tax and grow larger.

Governments are really like Bacteria. They can be useful, but once they spiral out of control, infection sets in and the host eventually dies.

[MXRider]

I've been following this over on arfcom and I am hoping it works out. I want a machine pistol and a select fire M4A1.

[Victor Cachat]

They need to do it like the EnvironMENTALists.
Sue.
Get what you want.
Get lots of money for your cost and trouble.

Sue them even more with the new money.

[bohoki]

they have an excellent argument to bust a hole in that arbitrary onerous gunowners protection act

[sigstroker]

MG collectors would be none too happy. Instead of 400 grand for a transferable mini-gun, you could just buy a new one for 50 grand. Dealers would lose millions in value.

[pterrell]

MG collectors would be none too happy. Instead of 400 grand for a transferable mini-gun, you could just buy a new one for 50 grand. Dealers would lose millions in value.

Ask me how truly bad I feel for them. Go on... ask me!

[ConstitutionallyConscious]

Ah man iam so glad they didn't give them back, smart people.. But they will get those stamps back. its just matter of time. It's nice to dream.

[SonofWWIIDI]

Lmao i bet some people at the ATF got fired promoted a couple days ago.

FIFY

Incompetence usually breeds promotions. Except in rare cases where a few are chosen to fall on there swords to protect those higher up the food chain.