Proof of Residency confusion

[Murrok]

So I was under the impression that you could not use a hunting or fishing license as a secondary proof of residency for a handgun.

From DoJ website

Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:
Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).

Email I got back from the shop I had asked a question on what they take.

We accept a hunting or fishing licence as they are state issued. We need a valid drivers licence and something that matches the address on your drivers licence.

So am I reading this correct? Or are they just saying that my primary proof of residence can be a hunting or fishing license as long as the address matches my ID?

[Marktallica]

Your initial assumption is correct, from everything I've ever heard or read. I would show the shop the DOJ regulation and ask for clarification. Given the anti-gun attitude of many prosecutors and politicians, following the law to the letter is extremely important here.

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[CK_32]

Shop policy and DOJ approval are not the same thing. Shops can accept and decline any proof of residency they are unsure about. It's their business and license that's on the line so they tell you what they accept or don't accept under their understanding of the law. Many shops will not accept anything outside of DL/ID, and car reg or utility bill. Some will.

It may be ok on the DOJ web site but again shops can make their own policies which they accept or don't accept. Many don't accept the non normal proofs just to keep it simple. Some do to make the customer happy and allow all or most options to allow the purchase to continue. But again it's their business on the line so they have the final say. If they accept hunting or fishing license then use it, again their a** on the line not yours. I'm sure it will work fine.

[Quiet]

CA laws/regulations regarding proof of residency...

11 CCR 4045
The following definitions and requirements apply to documents intended to serve as evidence of residency for the acquisition of a handgun pursuant to Penal Code section 26845:
a.
1. “Utility bill” means a statement of charges for providing direct service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired telephone or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection), or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.
2. The utility bill statement date must be within three months of the current date.
3. The utility bill must bear on its face the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form.
B. The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
b.
1. “Residential lease” means either of the following:
A. A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time.
B. A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.
2. The residential lease must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
c.
1. “Property deed” means either of the following:
A. A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust.
B. A valid Certificate of Title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.
2. The property deed must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
d. “Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice” means either of the following:
1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
2. A valid peace officer credential issued by a California law enforcement agency to an active, reserve, or retired peace officer.

[Condorguns]

Ok...here we go. This has changed, but not on the web site yet. As FFL's we have asked if we could start using hunting license now that they have changed the way they are issued. DOJ as said that yes, we can now used a valid hunting license.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=964478

[Murrok]

Ok...here we go. This has changed, but not on the web site yet. As FFL's we have asked if we could start using hunting license now that they have changed the way they are issued. DOJ as said that yes, we can now used a valid hunting license.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=964478

Ah okay, so they didn't update their website, but they are now acceptable forms of residency.

Thank you for answering. This didn't show up in any of my searches.

[Condorguns]

Ah okay, so they didn't update their website, but they are now acceptable forms of residency.

Thank you for answering. This didn't show up in any of my searches.

No problem. It's been confusing for us FFL's also.

[Josh3239]

Shop policy and DOJ approval are not the same thing.

Something a lot of people don't seem to understand unfortunately. The most common way a shop learns not to take something is because their auditor penalized them for accepting it before.

[mr2ndamendment]

We always encountered this issue all the time. Customers would come in the shop and want to using a hunting license for proof of res. We wouldn't take it just to error on the side of caution. When they asked why, we'd ask who issued them the permit. "California of course." Really? You went up to Sacramento and got it? California sent it to you in the mail? You get a hunting license by buying one at Big 5. Yes it's a state document but it's not given or issued to you by the state and to keep things safe, we wouldn't take it.

[Condorguns]

We always encountered this issue all the time. Customers would come in the shop and want to using a hunting license for proof of res. We wouldn't take it just to error on the side of caution. When they asked why, we'd ask who issued them the permit. "California of course." Really? You went up to Sacramento and got it? California sent it to you in the mail? You get a hunting license by buying one at Big 5. Yes it's a state document but it's not given or issued to you by the state and to keep things safe, we wouldn't take it.

And that is what changed. You no longer go to Big 5 to get a hunting license. Now you go to http://www.dfg.ca.gov/licensing/.

It is now issued by CA DFG, thus falls under the ". A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto"

[CK_32]

Something a lot of people don't seem to understand unfortunately. The most common way a shop learns not to take something is because their auditor penalized them for accepting it before.

And the fact it's so easy to lose your FFL license from a small paperwork mistake. I don't blame most shops to err on the side of caution.