Is this considered a ND?

[bigbearbear]

Wife and I were shooting trap at Coyote Valley today, when it was my wife's turn, the launcher ran out of clays. At this point, her shotgun was loaded and she is in her mounted stance ready to shoot. I was standing behind her, both for safety and also to help her with her shooting, and I told her there's no clay so we'll have to stop. For some reasons, she thought she saw a clay, swing the shotgun and squeezed the trigger; **BANG!!**, a single shot at a ghost clay target.

I was like "WTF are you shooting at?!??"

Would something like this be consider a ND at the range? Thankfully we were the only ones shooting at that time and no one saw it.

[Dano3467]

S**T happins

[bohoki]

squirrel !

[shafferds]

It would be a ghost discharge. . .

Well and not listening

[003]

It is clearly not a negligent discharge, as she intentionally pulled the trigger and fired her shotgun. An ND is when a person does not intent to fire their weapon, but does so inadvertently, or by mistake.

[cjc16]

she intended to fire and pulled the trigger. No ND.

[Peter.Steele]

It is clearly not a negligent discharge, as she intentionally pulled the trigger and fired her shotgun. An ND is when a person does not intent to fire their weapon, but does so inadvertently, or by mistake.

she intended to fire and pulled the trigger. No ND.

Sorry, no, this is not the case.

An ND may be both negligent and intentional. An accidental discharge is not intentional, but is (almost) always negligent.

Pointing a gun at something that doesn't exist and pulling the trigger is (a) intentional, and (b) stupid. It may or may not be negligent. Obviously if she was pointed down range and the range was hot, and her backdrop was clear, then it's most likely that the discharge was not negligent.

So, while this was not an AD, and it may or may not have been an ND, it was almost certainly an ID: idiot discharge.

[Munky]

squirrel !

lol

[CK_32]

This thread has reached the Senator De Leons limit of suspicious "ghost" activity of the word "ghost" in the war against ghost guns

[hermosabeach]

If she consciously fired at a target- not a ND

I am guessin she needs help with target identification

Shadows and birds are not valid sporting clay targets.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

she intended to fire and pulled the trigger. No ND.

^^This plus she did it in a safe direction.

[JDay]

Sounds like she needs to go see the eye doctor.

[hambam105]

I've seen similar cases that may or may not be related to your wife's shooting behavior.

Shooter is on the line all ready to start shooting and you ask them to shut it down. I surmise, that the student knows how to unload an expended or fake round, but not a live round. In the confusion the shooter goes to the familiar and lets one go downrange at your ghost target.

Now if you give the shooter a minute to think this thru they will usually unload the round as trained. But in that 1st second following the command to unload, so as not to look confused, they crank on the trigger, call the shot good because it went safely downrange and think about what happened later.

Students have later confessed this is what they did. Trainers should watch out for this clay ghost shooting because it may indicate a learning gap between the trainer and the student. Or what the heyy, maybe there was a ghost clay?

[ja308]

No she swung the gun and intended to fire the shot.

My gf admits to having an ND . She states " we were doing multiple targets and I fired a round between the targets that were about 2 feet apart "

There was no damage as the muzzle was down range and in a safe direction. Still it is considered a Negligent Discharge . She admitted her error was keeping her finger on the trigger.

[Jester3]

Maybe she caught sight of a low flying UFO?
Or maybe a high jumping Brown Recluse!
Well, she fired on SOMETHING she thought she saw.
No ND, no harm , no fowl, no witnesses, carry on.