95% lower???

[MachineGuntongue]

I am familiar with the 80% legalities from reading CG, but just came across this listing at SlickGuns:

"These 95% AR-15 Lower receivers are TRUE Forgings. They start as CERRO 7075-T6 aluminium forged blanks and are fully machined to mil-spec tolerances including the rear takedown pocket. This item is sold as a kit that includes the Lower Receiver, the JIG needed to complete the lower using a mill or a drill press,AND detailed instructions to finish milling the receiver using a drill press or mill.The operations left to be completed are as follows: fire control group pocket, trigger pin hole, hammer pin hole, trigger slot hole. and the safety selector hole. This is a not an FFL item and can be shipped to your door. This is not a complete receiver and still requires machining to be done in order to have an operational firearm."


It comes with a lower and jig kit and some other parts.

Does anyone out there know the legal status of 95% kits like this?

Disclaimer: I apologize if a duplicate post or answered with a search. Mods can move or delete if so. Not sure if proper forum either. Could go in center fire rifle or gun smithing. Legal status is my main reason for posting. So started here. Thanks for understanding and open to correction and adjustments if misplaced.

[dc2allday]

No different than a 0% 80% whatever percent you want as long as the atf says its not a firearm it's whatever percent you want to call it. Make sure they have a ATF Letter to be safe though.

[Wiz-of-Awd]

Playing with very hot fire!

A.W.D.

[MachineGuntongue]

Okay. Thanks for info. I have no idea of this company's reputation or quality.

Wanting to know the legal information regarding 95% vs 80% or otherwise, before spending more time on it.

[MachineGuntongue]

Hahaha. Yes. Message received.

In NO way do I want to play with fire!!!

The listing stood out as never seen such a thing before. But somewhat new to CG. So open to learning all aspects. I value my freedom so won't even go near anything that pushes the envelope or boundaries. Call me vanilla.

[jwkincal]

The operations left to be completed are as follows: fire control group pocket, trigger pin hole, hammer pin hole, trigger slot hole. and the safety selector hole.

It's an 80% lower. The "95%" description is marketing hype... which by itself would make me not interested in purchasing.

[Dooligan]

...marketing hype and DOJ flag all rolled into one!

[bohoki]

the percentage is approximate not legal defintion

[Flintlock Tom]

I bought a "90%" lower from EP Armory. It just has the rear takedown pocket milled out.
Believe me, EP Armory KNOWS what an ATF letter is.

http://www.eparmory.com/product-p/90anocustoms.htm

[inbox485]

The % isn't legally relevant. It can't have certain portions of the machining done, and more recently, polymer isn't supposed to have color contrast indicators. 95% was a marketing thing about the rear take down pocket being complete. Since then a lot of 80% lowers have done that. Some call it 90/95% others just point it out as a feature.

I bought a "90%" lower from EP Armory. It just has the rear takedown pocket milled out.
Believe me, EP Armory KNOWS what an ATF letter is.

http://www.eparmory.com/product-p/90anocustoms.htm

Buyer beware: ALL SALES ARE FINAL NO RETURNS ON THESE CUSTOM ITEMS

So far this has translated into them selling trash, doing business like dirtbags, then smearing customers that complain. Wouldn't touch those guys with a 10 foot pole.

[MachineGuntongue]

All valuable information.

Thank you, CalGunners!

[CSACANNONEER]

Yep, there is no such thing as a 10%, 20%, 50%, 75%, 80%, 95%, etc. It is either a firearm or it is not a firearm. The "80%" thing came about years ago but, there is no actual legal definition of what an 80% firearm is.

[Flintlock Tom]

The % isn't legally relevant. It can't have certain portions of the machining done, and more recently, polymer isn't supposed to have color contrast indicators. 95% was a marketing thing about the rear take down pocket being complete. Since then a lot of 80% lowers have done that. Some call it 90/95% others just point it out as a feature.



Buyer beware: ALL SALES ARE FINAL NO RETURNS ON THESE CUSTOM ITEMS

So far this has translated into them selling trash, doing business like dirtbags, then smearing customers that complain. Wouldn't touch those guys with a 10 foot pole.

100% of my experience with them has been 100% positive.

[umd]

IMO calling it 95% is stupid because it won't show up when googling for 80% lowers. Otherwise, they could call it 99.9% or "bob". As long the ATF doesn't think its a firearm then it doesn't matter.

[BigPimping]

Maybe ask Dr. Death?