Blame The Gun?

[Ding126]

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=db714d98-e70c-46c4-9fd1-9506175fac17

[Greg-Dawg]

When will they learn: Guns are inanimate objects!!!

[nagorb]

I'm sure the law banning guns at schools would have prevented this, people who plan on killing other people always check the laws to make sure they arent entering a non gun zone. For some reason when there is a problem some dumb a** comes up with a half a**ed solution and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

[duenor]

Um. This is a legitimate case where the Mother should blame herself. If your son is suicidal, why are you helping him buy a gun? If my son were depressed, suicidal, or having panic attacks, i would not allow him to own a gun or even be near them without supervision.

[The SoCal Gunner]

Um. This is a legitimate case where the Mother should blame herself. If your son is suicidal, why are you helping him buy a gun? If my son were depressed, suicidal, or having panic attacks, i would not allow him to own a gun or even be near them without supervision.

The mother in this case is blaming herself from what I read and I'm sure would have done something if she had know her son was depressed. What she described about her son is more common than not.

What is interesting here is that it's the professionals, the coroner and such, are the ones that say bad things about firearms. Seems the parents were fine with guns which is why they signed up their son for a permit.

[trinydex]

[url]Gill said she knew her son was worried and sad when she was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2000, and became anxious again in 2004 when his father had to have heart surgery.

"The whole family was getting sick, and because he was the eldest, he felt a big responsibility," she told the Montreal Gazette. "He told me he'd seen a doctor who gave him medication for anxiety, so I didn't know he was depressed."

When he lost his job he began isolating himself from friends, spending more time on the computer.

"The only sign we had that he was sad was he was staying in his room a lot and I didn't know what to do," she said. "I told him to get up, to get a job, to eat, but he was 24 at the time, what could I do?

hahahaha i bet she nagged his *** off and he decided to end it.

this article is so chock full of contradicting statements it's ridiculous.

beretta cx storm a military style weapon?

mom knew he was anxious but not depressed? seeing a doctor no less? recieved a prescription even???

the doctor wished she could tell his parents but his parents likely nagged his *** off about being unemployed?

this was just a piece of **** situation waiting to happen.

[Salty]

...adding she had no idea depression could lead to such a fatal outcome. "I wish we would have known, and we would have taken care of him, instead of yelling at him to go out and get a job."

[starviego]

The truth about these school shootings is that there are always more involved. That proves that these things are really gub'mint-run covert ops.



"Another witness told CBC News she was smoking outside the college when she saw a tall, white man wearing a long black trench coat walk down the street with a large gun. He was with a number of other people, said the woman.... The man was about 19 years old with body piercings and wore clothing with studs, she said."
[Comment: the lone gunman was 25 and of south asian extraction. In his photos posted online, it does not appear he had any piercings]]


www.abovetopsecret.com/fo...638/schoolhardson family murders.
[poster on ATS, and eyewitness]
A girl giving an interview said that she was standing outside the entrance to the school smoking when she noticed 3 guys in trenchcoats walking towards them and one pulled out an automatic of some kind and started shooting at the entrance of the school...


CanWest News Service
Frightened students giving wildly varying accounts of what was happening inside. There were several reports saying there was one gunman, while others said there were as many as four.

https://www.neogaf.com/forum/show...084&page=2

poster 'mattx5'
I was with the media all day (I co-run the Dawson college newspaper) and the police are definitely supressing some information.
The info of 1 gunman doesn't match up with people's descriptions of gunfire taking place over 30-45 minutes, considering the 1 gunman was taken out just 3 minutes after he initially opened fire.
This is so horrible, the info has been changing all day, first 4 dead, than none, than 1, now 2? I'm losing track, ah jesus.
I was in the basement gymnasium when this happened and only found out at 1:30 (shooting happend at 12:41). The radio was on and cut to a breaking news report saying the school had been evacuated, that 4 gunmen were in the school.


cnn.com at 5pm, 9-13-06
A SWAT team was in the college because "we believe there might be other suspects inside," a police spokesman said.
--A recorded message at the college administration office said two gunmen were killed...


MSNBC News Services
Updated: 2:59 p.m. ET Sept. 13, 2006
Student Devansh Smri Vastava said he saw a man in military fatigues storm the schools cafeteria..... Other witnesses said the man wore a black trench coat.


Andie Bennett, CHUM Radio's Team 990
She says students have described at least one suspect as a white male with a beard..... One witness recounts tales of seeing an armed Goth-garbed male with long black hair in the building


940 MontrealAM radio talk show
one witness said the shooter had long stringy hair, another saw 'spiky' hair sticking out from under a mask.
Caller identifiied herself as Danielle, a student: shooter had blond hair, "faux hawk," not a mohawk; had a mask around the face....
--"a lot of students have seen many, many ...like a lot of shooters..."
--"a lot of what students were hearing on the news is not right"
--"anybody you ask at Dawson....there's no way it was only one shooter"

https://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/13/shots-dawson.html

Public transit officials temporarily closed the subway system's green line, which serves Dawson College, in order to allow a SWAT team to sweep the underground stations.


AndyM3 at CRTF
I seen it on MSN and I'm reading about it online right now. They are reporting 2-4 gunmen, one shot by police, one committed suicide, and possibly a third or fourth on the run 'still'.

https://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/13/shots-dawson.html

Earlier reports had said as many as three shooters walked into Dawson College. At one point, police had told local media outlets that two gunmen were dead and a third was still at large.


TorontoStar 9-13-06
Seventeen-year-old Elizabeth Gagnon: She spent the next two hours in that class withother frightened students, listening to the gunfire outside. It would stop for a minute, and then start again. Gagnon estimated that she heard at least 30 gunshots. It was continuous. There had to be more than one shooter, she said.


CanWest News Service
It is believed two of the dead were gunmen. One report quoted police saying two gunman were dead one had been shot and one had taken his own life.
[Comment: Police at first said the shooter had shot himself, then insisted that they had killed the gunman. ]

https://www.canada.com/montrealgazette

"The police came out with the guy in handcuffs and there was a long trail of blood behind him," said Sonny Chiasson, an Alexis Nihon(adjacent shopping center) maintenance employee. "He was bleeding heavily from his upper chest. (Then he) fell to the ground and the police kept trying to talk to him."
Many minutes went by. "But eventually they just put a towel over his face because he was dead."
[Comment: these wounds don't sound like they were self inflicted]


940 MontrealAM radio talk show
--A caller called Adam said his sister saw a trenchcoater with buldging coat walking down a street near the school; this was after a description of the gunman had already been broadcast. Police scene converging on that area.
--Caller identified himself as James Santos, student held at gunpoint by gunman(on the second floor)..... Gunman told him to get up and stand between himself and police. Gunman told him and another student to drag a "heavy, heavy" bag a few feet, gunman then collapsed to floor from shot to the knee(blood started pouring out), he then pulled handgun from his trenchcoat and put it under his chin and shot himself.
[Comment: Medical Examiner now says shooter shot himself in the mouth and had another gunshot would to his arm.]