sellers anti ca

[packnrat]

just was on gb and looking at m1 garands. a lot of the sellers say NO SALES to ca. guns and the ammo.

is there some way we can get the word out to those in the free world we love guns here in ca, and that there are no law forbiding them from selling or us from buying there products.




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[hawk1]

just was on gb and looking at m1 garands. a lot of the sellers say NO SALES to ca. guns and the ammo.

is there some way we can get the word out to those in the free world we love guns here in ca, and that there are no law forbiding them from selling or us from buying there products.




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1261 posts and you still don't get it?

If they don't want to sell to California, then find someone else that will...

They don't have the last M1 Garand, or the last 1000 rounds of ammo either.

[56Chevy]

1261 posts and you still don't get it?

If they don't want to sell to California, then find someone else that will...

They don't have the last M1 Garand, or the last 1000 rounds of ammo either.

You're right. You're not going to change somebody's mind if they don't want it changed. A lot of people out there believe what they want, and you can't change that.

For example, my dad moved from NY to TN. As a "housewarming" gift I gave him a S&W M&P 15T. I told him numerous times that it was perfectly legal in TN. He still insisted on asking a neighbor who is a sheriff's deputy. By the way, he always tells us how smart he is.

8 months later and he STILL hasn't gotten any ammo for the thing, and I think that he is convinced that 30 round magazines are illegal. Oh well, I guess I'll just get it back in the future. I haven't even bothered to ask him to get me some off-list handguns to be sent here via the intra-familial exemption. I'd rather just pay inflated prices for used guns than try to convince somebody who can't be reasoned with.

[mrChiBai]

I too get bummed when I see something I like on gb and they say things like absolutely no sales to ca. Yesterday I even saw a nice 1911 for a good price, selling FROM brea, ca and the seller posted no sales to CA. What a douche!

There are other firearms out there for sale but man, its just SUCH a bummer to be hated on ALL THE TIME by what feels like EVERYBODY.

[hawk1]

I too get bummed when I see something I like on gb and they say things like absolutely no sales to ca. Yesterday I even saw a nice 1911 for a good price, selling FROM brea, ca and the seller posted no sales to CA. What a douche!

There are other firearms out there for sale but man, its just SUCH a bummer to be hated on ALL THE TIME by what feels like EVERYBODY.

Keep in mind, that if the seller in Brea is a dealer, and he takes the handgun in on trade or buys it outright he cannot sell it in California unless it's on the roster. The only way a dealer can sell it is if it is a consignment, private party transaction, or LEO exempt sale. If the seller is a private party then he needs to be told what he can and cannot legally do.
I had this once, and after showing the seller he could legally sell it to me, he did. Said he had been mis-informed by his local FFL. I guess his FFL was trying to buy it from him for pennies on the dollar and tried to "scare" him into selling it to him rather than through a private party transaction.

[mk3mitch]

No one wants to sell to Cali anymore because the law changed, the out of state FFL has to send a form through DOJ now, all filled out, they have to do there thing with with, what ever that is, before he can send into california. Before both FFL's sent a copy of each others license to eachother and it was good to go, no waiting or extra papers.

[hawk1]

An out of state FFL here at Calguns said it took him all of 45 seconds to get the CFLC. Add to that, two copies and an extra staple to attach his copy to the rest of the papers he has to keep on the sale anyways. Big deal...

[Mississippi]

I dont blame them for not wanting to deal with the stupid laws from this state. Everything is backwards here. We pay homeless people to be homeless and run taxes through the roof and after we spend billions on making sure non citizens have more than legal ones we cant seem to figure out home to budget. What a wacked out state. But hey the weathers good!

[stretch64]

Some sellers just don't know CA laws and don't want to deal with it. They're not necessarily anti-CA. If the auction simply states "no sales to CA", contact them to find out why.
I just picked up a handgun off GB that I've been looking for for some time now. The seller originally listed it as "no sales to CA", but after a couple courteous emails, and sending him the link to the CA DOJ roster, he removed the restriction. Net result was, I bought the gun, and he now sells handguns to CA.
Granted, if the seller is bashing CA in his ad, you might as well move on to another one.

[AJAX22]

There seems to be a prevelent missconception among FFL's that the BATFE is the one enforcing the 'no shipments to CA' thing.

The notification letter also did not apparently mention that 03 FFL's and private individuals who ship to CA are exempt...

So people are living in fear of the BATFE, and don't understand what law (if any) applies to them.

And so many won't deal with us at all.

[SJgunguy24]

I think a big part with the "No sales to CA" is the out of state dealers don't get the ammended gun regs from CA DOJ. Most are to lazy to look for themselves. I called one place about Saiga 223 and he said those are banned so no sale. I asked where he saw that and he read the old "AK/AR series law" When I informed him that the gun has to be named by make and model he said "this is what CA DOJ just sent me". I have no reason to think he is lying to me, I also wouldn't put somthing like that past the DOJ. I asked this guy to check Calguns if he feels like getting the whole story about the regs. I posed a question to him as well, if your main compediter is cashing in by LEGALLY selling firearms to CA, why don't you want a piece of the action.

[dwtt]

just was on gb and looking at m1 garands. a lot of the sellers say NO SALES to ca. guns and the ammo.

is there some way we can get the word out to those in the free world we love guns here in ca, and that there are no law forbiding them from selling or us from buying there products.

You can try buying a M1 from CMP. That's what I and thousands of others did. Why put yourself through so much stress? Are you a masochist?

there is a way to get the word out to these dealers, you can email them and explain how things work here in CA. I've done it with a dealer in Fl, you can too. It sure beats complaining here on Calguns.

[bigthaiboy]

There seems to be a prevelent missconception among FFL's that the BATFE is the one enforcing the 'no shipments to CA' thing.

The notification letter also did not apparently mention that 03 FFL's and private individuals who ship to CA are exempt...

So people are living in fear of the BATFE, and don't understand what law (if any) applies to them.

And so many won't deal with us at all.

I contacted a seller on GB about shipping an AR OLL to CA, and after I explained that make and model restrictions she said she would contact the BATF for a definitive answer. Half an hour later, she contacts me and said we were good to go, (for now). She immediately added on her GB listings "I will happily ship to California".

Just look at it as one battle at a time to convert out of state dealers to understand our laws. Sometimes you'll convert another dealer, sometimes you'll come across someone who is so pig-headed and unprepared to listen to any reasoning, or just has prejudice issues with CA. You can't convert them all.

[5968]

I think we are up to about three of these threads a week now.

[mason1800]

Hell, if they dont want to sell to Califonians, so be it. I'm sure someone else will take our money.