A grilling at the range sunday...

[Liberty Rules]

You really must think highly of yourself to assume a cop is going to lie on a car stop just to prove a point. Cops, except for a incredibly few bad apples, a) Don't need to lie to get things done. B) Rely on truthfulness to do thier job. C) Would be worthless at the job if they were to be caught in a lie. Do you really think giving you a hard time on purpose just for the sake of doing it is worth losing a decent wage and benefits...not hardly.


Actually, the pool of qualified applicants is extremely small when it comes to LEO jobs. So yeah it is hard to find qualified applicants. There are a slew of reasons for the prediciment most cities nationwide are facing in hiring decent cops. But baffoons? Not hardly.

The original poster never confirmed it was a cop, just suspected it. Put your broad brush down and leave the cops alone until you have something more to back up rediculous statements like that. Rant off.

Whether I think highly of myself is irrelevant. The issue is, instead, whether I am blind or deaf because you seem to assume that I am both. I have read countless articles and appellate opinions where the police in each instance used the EXACT same language to justify something. Are you telling me that every "unsafe lane change" is real? Are you telling me that it is highly unusual for police to embellish something to add to the justification for a stop after they find something after a Terry stop? I can't tell you how many times I've seen videos where LEOs beat the crap out of someone who was not resisting and that same person was charged with resisting arrest or striking an officer--until the video became public. Did you not see that airman get shot in San Berdu after the high speed chase? If there was no video, do you think the shooting officer would have admitted that he told him to get up?

Oh, and what about all of the amnesia which occurs after a fellow officer does something bad? Are you going to deny that occurs, and has been a problem for decades? That amnesia is dishonesty at its worst. (By the way, the same thing goes for medical personnel--doctors, nurses, and hospital personnel are legendary for conveniently forgetting about treatment screwups. Are you going to deny that too because someone in your family is a doctor? Or because most doctors are honest?)

Just because many cops are honest does not mean that all are. There are plenty of bad apples out there. Enough for me to have changed my impression of law enforcement drastically based on all that I have seen in my life. So please stop with the holier than thou, don't criticize the police routine. Maybe, instead, you should wonder how it is that a staunchly conservative Republican with a strong disdain for the ACLU came to the point that he questions the motives and truthfulness of many LEOs. If you are an honest cop, then worry about yourself instead of attacking people who ciriticze the bad apples as if the "force" is something sacred who's honor needs to be upheld. Maybe if the police spent more time policing their own bad apples instead of protecting them with the "us versus them" zeal, LE would have a better reputation in this day and age.

Now let's talk about this particular individual and assume that he was LEO, which I do for the reasons stated in an earlier post. He a) saw a weapon on a table; and b) with no factual information whatsoever, assumed that it was a banned AW and proceeded to harass someone and accuse him of doing something illegal. How could he know by looking from several feet away that the gun was listed and/or unregistered? If an LEO walked up to me in a grocery store parking lot, accused me of driving a stolen car because SOME Nissans are popular targets of theft, and started frothing at the mouth about it, without running the plates and without any signs the car was stolen (broken window, punched ignition, etc.), then I would propose to you that the LEO was a buffoon. If you are telling me that you disagree, we are from different sides of the planet my friend.

[glen avon]

When it came out in the theater no less. Half my life ago. I'm an old guy who owns lots of ARs.

carry on, Psycho.

[JeepRescueService14]

I've met quite a few cops im my short time on this planet. I've met a few good ones, and the rest were members of our nations largest gang. Needless to say Ive never had a happy experience with the po-lice.

[HillBilly]

I just don't understand why people (everyone, not just LEO) who aren't 100% positive about something can't keep their friggin' mouths shut?

Perhaps more disenchanting is that this LEO (and yes I will bet money he was in fact an LEO) is probably just as confident in his stupidity in all forms of civilian interaction. I feel for the poor fools who get pulled over based on HIS version of the law.

I understand about the honey theory and that not everyone is versed about every issue, but to speak with such confidence on something you "think" is correct is not the place of a public employee who holds my ticket to jail in his hands. His assumption is not acceptable when something so touchy is involved.

I have said it before...there are alot of good and decent LEO's...many who I would trust without question (we are especially blessed with a favorable decent/rediculous ratio here is SB county, thank God!).

Cocky is fine, but cocky and wrong do not mix. ever. Especially when my personal freedom is concerned.

[juicy]

just one more reason why i avoid that range like the plague.

[socalguns]

Maybe the ranges you go to are different than mine...but I've never ONCE heard/seen a fellow shooter at a range yell at someone that their rifle was an illegal assault weapon and go storming off in a huff.

They tell me that all the time.
My son's name is Rifle Illegal Assault Weapon Jones

[Pryde]

Seems like most of the time, when I see people being questioned at the range, it is not because of the assault looking weapon. It's usually because of the high cap magazines. Most of the time people will not scrutinize your AR/AK/FAL whatever unless you are using hi-caps. I guess the things are just a magnet for attention from authorities, people seem to just assume if you are using 5 or 10 rounders you are legal. Anybody else have such experiences? And also to the OP, were you using hi-caps?

[glen avon]

BLM used to restrict how many rounds you could load in an AW. that might have had something to do with the mag interest.

[CALI-gula]

I have never been questioned about any of my Roberti-Roos/SB23 items at the range by anyone, ever, except other shooters genuinely interested in aspects of the firearms, accessories, etc. People watch - I let them, and go on about my business never asking if they need anything, help, have questions or otherwise; if they have a question, they are sure to ask, otherwise, let them enjoy the scenery. Usually they are simply being polite until cease-fire to talk with me, as to not disturb my peace. I appreciate those considerate individuals in the same way I would not want to be disturbed in the middle of a putt on the green, or in the middle of my concentration before putting the bowling ball to wood.

One thing I did not see anyone mention is that the Calico M100, being rimfire, does not need to be registered in CA. Of course, they only made 50 and 100 round magazines for it, and you would have to had bought the magazines before SB23 became law, yet, there is no registration for the rifle. I have numerous magazines for mine, and if I buy another M100, I will be able to do so without buying any magazines.

No different than Walther's G22. Except for the mag of course.

[50 Freak]

One time I was at Metcalf shooting my AR and AK type guns. Not to mention my para FAL and 50 bmg. (was a good day )

Anyways, was using a 120 round drum on the AR and the AK had it's 75 rounder and there were 30 rounders strewed all over the bench.

I was having a blast when I saw this older gentlemen standing there shaking his head. I watched him as he went to the range officer (who's my buddy) and said "I can't believe that guy's got all those's illegal AW's here, is he a cop" the range master just said "50' there, he's no cop, he's just a nutjob and those guns are all legally registered AW's".

[choochboost]

Mr. Buzzcut: "I AM the police."

Me: "You mean like transit police or mall police?"

Mr. Buzzcut: "No, I mean REAL POLICE (flashing badge from unfortunate city)."

Me: "You mean like a cadet or an explorer?

LMAO!

I don't have a "assault weapon at the range" story, but I do have an "overbearing-cop-not-minding-his-own-business-at-the-range" story. Maybe it was even the same guy.

When I walked in I saw him right away, standing out like a skinhead at a nation of islam convention. Puffing out his chest and wearing his full duty belt (off duty) there was nothing subtle about him. I was there with an off duty LEO and we were both quite amused with this guy.

I grab my 9mm USP along with a 10-round .40 mag and load it up with 9mm rounds. I had never tried this before and liked the idea of increased capacity so I wanted to try it out. It would FTFeed at least once each time. After about the third mag full, this guy walks over with a smug look on his face (I'm thinking, here we go) wanting to bless me with his superior knowledge of firearms, and asks me if I know why my USP is jamming up. He was about to tell me what he thought I was doing wrong, or what was wrong with my USP, when I ejected the .40 mag held it in front of his face, pointed at the ".40 S&W" stamp and said, "Yeah, that's why." He stood there for a minute looking puzzled, glanced at the mag and then at me, then back at the mag and back at me again...then turned and walked back to his own lane without saying another word. Thanks for coming out buddy.

FWIW, my little story here is not anti-cop. I don't have a problem with cops, as I stated, I was shooting with one that day. I only have a problem with guys who have this arrogant attitude where either they want attention, or just can't mind they're own business and want to enlighten everyone else (what guns are legal and why pistols malfunction). I don't care whether or not they're sworn officers or just mall-ninjas, its the attitude that is really irritating.

[Bling Bling 2.0]

I was at angeles sunday with my AK, calico M100, SKS and M1 garand. I'm just getting stuff spread out and set up, I notice behind me a very clean-cut law enforcment type guy just staring at my AK and calico. I turn around and smile and say "can I answer any questions for you?" (part time salesman), he growls "what are those guns doing in california?". I said "they are going to get shot legally at the range today". He sees my AK has an car15 stock and my calico has a folder and says "you can't have those stocks in california", to which I replied "I bought them new in 88, and as far as the AK goes, the registration is in the pistol grip and I can run any kind of stock I want because you can not turn an assault weapon into an assault weapon!". To this he turned and stormed off!.I looked at my shooting bud and just shook my head. Do you guys deal with this crap often?

Ha! What a punk! I would have asked him for his hall pass. Then tell him to go get the yard lady/mommy/the principal or whoever is planning on tucking him in tonight. I just don't understand what exactly their function in life is, other to go wee wee on everyone's parade. And if he's an off duty LEO it's certainly not to protect and serve as I imagine many people have been brutally assualted, raped, or killed while his 'brain' is trying figure out what a grandfather clause is.

Of course I would go the high road and tell him that they are actually legal and he can check the law if he doesn't believe me. I would fill that up with as much sarcasm as I could and still not bust up laughing at the poor sap.

[gmcem50]

"I don't like no one touching my stuff. Any of you homos touch my stuff, I'll kill you."

[50 Freak]

Two words for you buddy...

ANGER MANAGEMENT

[socalguns]

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