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  • funnybookz
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 1105

    What I have to say...

    My step grandmother was murdered (with a gun) by a drunk, abusive boyfriend when I was a kid. A lot of my family, as a result are heavily anti-gun. This includes my cousin.

    She "shared" a Michael Moore Facebook post on his thoughts about the recent shooting and she said only, "Correct." However, it was mostly wrong.

    I wrote and posted the following in response. Please bear with me, it's lengthy.

    "This is going to offend some of you, you may even "unfriend" me. Just hear me out first.

    My heart goes out to those that are affected by the recent horrible tragedy here in CA where multiple people lost their lives. I am truly sorry that anyone ever has to go through that. No one should ever have to.

    The notion, however, that more "gun control" is needed/ would have prevented it or that the gun was to blame completely and utterly baffles me.

    It seems to me that in a state with the strictest gun laws in the country, in a state with an "assault weapons" ban, a state with a ten round magazine limit, a state with UNIVERSAL background checks for ALL legal gun sales (even at gun shows), in a state with a 10 day waiting period before you can take home your newly purchased firearms, in a state with firearm storage requirements, in a state where you can lose your gun rights for misdemeanors, in a state where you can lose your gun rights for non violent mental issues, in a state that requires registration for handguns, shotguns, and rifles of all types, in a state where you can only legally carry a firearm with a license, in a state with all of these requirements and many, many more...

    Maybe, just maybe it isn't the lack of gun control, maybe it's the seemingly incredibly poor mental healthcare system we have in this country. Maybe it's deeper than the availability of guns.

    You can compare us to other countries and their statistics all you want, but we aren't those other countries and there are a LOT more factors involved than just access to guns.

    Adding more laws on top of laws that are just going to be broken and only affect those who choose to follow them (the people that wouldn't require these laws in the first place) is like slapping a bandaid on, well, a gunshot wound.

    I just can't take "gun control" seriously when it has yet to work and we have politicians like extreme gun-control advocate, CA Senator Leland Yee caught in a years long Federal sting brokering weapons sales if fully automatic firearms and rocket launchers between terrorists and gangsters.

    It seems to me, that if guns were the problem, with 200+ million estimated to be in circulation, with nearly a third of the population owning them, this would be a much larger problem than it is.

    If you want to discuss this in a civilized manner, I welcome that. If not, and you feel you need to unfriend me, I am sorry you feel that way. The only way things change is if people with differing opinions get together, rationally discuss the topic at hand and work on a plan to make a change TOGETHER.

    If you think I'm an idiot, moron, douchebag, monster, etc, etc, etc. based on an opinion, you are sorely mistaken and either don't know me personally, or are blind to the way I carry myself as a person, with respect and compassion for others."
    Illustrator and Graphic Designer
  • #2
    The Gleam
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2011
    • 12545

    I keep seeing news stories with the title:

    "California Gunman Killed 3 People at Home"

    BUT... since he killed those 3 people by stabbing them, and that is just as many people as he killed by shooting 3 others, why are they then not calling this psycho a "Knifeman" ??

    Just sayin'....
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    Originally posted by Librarian
    What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

    If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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    • #3
      David13
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 901

      This is a golden opportunity for the "gun control" advocates to exploit the deaths to further their agenda.
      They will not fail to try to do so.
      They, in their 'infinite wisdom' believe they know what is good for them. And for all of us, too.
      dc

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      • #4
        SonofWWIIDI
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2011
        • 21583

        Hopefully same of them approach a response with some logic, thought and an open mind.


        Unfortunately it will probably be exactly be opposite.
        Sorry, not sorry.
        🎺

        Dear autocorrect, I'm really getting tired of your shirt!

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        • #5
          Jimmybacon43
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2013
          • 2000

          Well said funnybookz.

          It's unfortunate the way the media handles these incidents, and the only real result is that gun owners are vilified by the population.
          Originally posted by RookieShooter
          One of the theory is that the hormones they put in the milk. That is why there are more obesity and homosexual today then back in the 60's.

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          • #6
            The Gleam
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2011
            • 12545

            Also...

            Yes, California has the strictest Anti-2nd Amendment laws in the country.

            But such laws only stop the law abiding and will never stop someone with malicious intent. This nut-case could just have easily used a knife to kill as many people, or plow his 3800 pound weapon of a BMW into a crowd of kids and killed 6 of them, and no political discussion over his mental derangement would have ensued. Oh wait - HE DID DO THAT!!!

            Or might have acquired a pressure-cooker and packed it with common firework powders adorned with cheap over-the-counter electronics from RadioShack or a remote-controlled car bought at Kmart.

            The Facebook video clearly shows a disturbed, psychotic loser that killed just as many people with a knife by stabbing them to death and he tried killing a bicyclist by smashing his car into him (which is how his windshield got shattered in the photo of it that keeps being shown in the news - but the media and idiots in Sacramento will blame the gun.

            NO amount of gun laws would have stopped this individual from his wish to kill people. Nor would have laws against knives and BMWs - or murder for that matter.
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            Originally posted by Librarian
            What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

            If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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            • #7
              Ozzone
              Junior Member
              • May 2014
              • 84

              The father of one of the victims is already blaming the NRA.
              sigpic"A gun is like a parachute, if you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again."

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              • #8
                The Gleam
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2011
                • 12545

                Originally posted by Ozzone
                The father of one of the victims is already blaming the NRA.
                He should just as easily blame RonCo, CutCo or Ginsu for this guy having stabbed just as many people to death as he killed by using a gun (other than himself).
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                Originally posted by Librarian
                What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                • #9
                  Ozzone
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2014
                  • 84

                  Originally posted by The Gleam
                  He should just as easily blame RonCo, CutCo or Ginsu for this guy having stabbed just as many people to death as he killed by using a gun (other than himself).
                  He's an anti-gun liberal. What he should do is irrelevant to them.
                  sigpic"A gun is like a parachute, if you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again."

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                  • #10
                    funnybookz
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 1105

                    I forgot to add this:

                    Illustrator and Graphic Designer

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                    • #11
                      Dee_Dub
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 2097

                      "We have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem." - Joe Rogan.
                      A man's GOT to know his limitations.

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                      • #12
                        The Gleam
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 12545

                        Originally posted by Ozzone
                        He's an anti-gun liberal. What he should do is irrelevant to them.
                        Oh yeah? Well - you should post bigger pics of your Avatar.
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                        Originally posted by Librarian
                        What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                        If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                        • #13
                          Ozzone
                          Junior Member
                          • May 2014
                          • 84

                          Originally posted by The Gleam
                          Oh yeah? Well - you should post bigger pics of your Avatar.
                          I should but your Ouija board has no power over me.
                          sigpic"A gun is like a parachute, if you need one, and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again."

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                          • #14
                            skyhanger00
                            Member
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 145

                            I don't believe it's got anything to do with mental health. There are hundreds of thousands of autistic kids out there and I don't hear about thousands of mass shootings committed by autism.

                            I think it's caused by affluenza and bad parenting. A kid spoiled with everything he wants his entire life and wonder why he doesn't get ***** thrown at him like he feels guys in his circle are entitled to (which is like most rich kids).

                            The autism probably didn't help things, and as the anger festers in him, those girls can probably smell a psycho from a mile away and avoid him.

                            Lastly it's the lack of gun culture in CA. You have all those kids who's only exposure to guns is in violent video games and media and never ever getting a proper instruction in gun safety and the importance of the 2nd amendment. They end up treating firearms like cool toys and never understanding responsible gun ownership. Notice that most of the spree shooters seem to be raised in anti-gun families?

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                            • #15
                              funnybookz
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 1105

                              Since when is Autism the only mental health problem in existence? And, no violent video games and movies do not contribute to it. Just like guns don't. If that were the case, with the millions of kids playing them, there would be many, many more of these incidents.

                              Originally posted by skyhanger00
                              I don't believe it's got anything to do with mental health. There are hundreds of thousands of autistic kids out there and I don't hear about thousands of mass shootings committed by autism.

                              I think it's caused by affluenza and bad parenting. A kid spoiled with everything he wants his entire life and wonder why he doesn't get ***** thrown at him like he feels guys in his circle are entitled to (which is like most rich kids).

                              The autism probably didn't help things, and as the anger festers in him, those girls can probably smell a psycho from a mile away and avoid him.

                              Lastly it's the lack of gun culture in CA. You have all those kids who's only exposure to guns is in violent video games and media and never ever getting a proper instruction in gun safety and the importance of the 2nd amendment. They end up treating firearms like cool toys and never understanding responsible gun ownership. Notice that most of the spree shooters seem to be raised in anti-gun families?
                              Illustrator and Graphic Designer

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