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  • Bull Elk
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 4191

    Private Firearm Sales

    It appears that since the CA long gun registration went into effect January 1, 2014, the number of firearm sales (mostly long guns, but hand guns as well) has greatly diminished. There just seems to be fewer hunting rifles and shotguns for sale.

    Possibly it's my imagination, but in discussing this with other Calguns members, all agree that it appears as if the new long gun registration requirements have resulted in fewer listings of long guns. For clarification, I am talking about traditional hunting rifles and shotguns, not AR type weapons.

    On a similar note, at the last Vallejo gun show I spoke with several FFL friends who told me that they are about to hang it up trying to sell firearms at local gun shows. They said that since January 1, sales are less than one half of what they were a year ago. They also expressed concern that since there are now many new hunting rifles and shotguns that can be purchased for less than $500 or $600 fewer and fewer gun buyers are willing to invest in higher end quality firearms. As one FFL said to me...."you can buy a decent Weatherby Vanguard hunting rifle for under $600 and a Savage rifle/scope package for under $500". That's about 70% of the market for new rifles. Fewer buyers are willing to shell out more cash for higher end new or used hunting rifles and shotguns when you can buy "new" for under $600." Obviously I'm paraphrasing, but he makes a good point. As an example, he showed me a pair of almost new condition Browning A-Bolt .270 rifles w/older Leupold 3-9x40 scopes that are in about 95% condition that he has listed for $575 each. He said he's shown these same two rifles for almost a year at this price at probably 15 gun shows and hasn't sold either. He said that he hears the same comments over and over....."I'll buy it for $400, but why would I pay that price when I can get a new Savage with scope for less." Of course, there is a big difference in the quality of the rifle and scope compared to a Browning.

    Interesting..................
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    pterrell
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    • Aug 2013
    • 3576

    I'm not at all surprised that sales have dropped off. Most people are recovering from the buying frenzy last year and the slow down is definitely furthered by the registration. The only long rifle I bought and registered is a .22. They can have it if they want it that bad.

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    • #3
      Mitch
      Mostly Harmless
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Mar 2008
      • 6574

      Originally posted by Bull Elk
      On a similar note, at the last Vallejo gun show I spoke with several FFL friends who told me that they are about to hang it up trying to sell firearms at local gun shows. They said that since January 1, sales are less than one half of what they were a year ago.
      A year ago we were in the midst of an unprecedented nationwide firearms purchasing boom.

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      • #4
        Gem1950
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 2876

        This too will change as we approach the 2016 political season, that and the timing of the next tragedy/event/crisis/massacre...and the ensuing ban noise.
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        • #5
          JackRydden224
          Calguns Addict
          • Aug 2011
          • 7228

          Originally posted by pterrell
          I'm not at all surprised that sales have dropped off. Most people are recovering from the buying frenzy last year and the slow down is definitely furthered by the registration. The only long rifle I bought and registered is a .22. They can have it if they want it that bad.

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          Yeah...people are simply out of money. The folks who bought stuff on their credit card are now trying to sell (but can't) their stuff to pay the bills. I'm not worried about registration. I'll just sell some stuff on gunbroker if confiscation ever comes.

          EDIT: For me now it's the time to get upgrades for my guns like action jobs, trigger jobs or accessories so I don't have 5 guns lying around that needs to get work done.
          Last edited by JackRydden224; 05-15-2014, 9:28 AM.

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          • #6
            SILENT GUNMAN
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 1468

            I think the used long gun drop off is due mostly to people not wanting to have registered rifles and shotguns. Everything they have from before 2014 is worth more than its weight in gold to them because its off the books. I know I won't be selling any of mine any time soon because if I decided to replace it I would be stick registering the new one. Not worth it to me.
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            • #7
              JackRydden224
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2011
              • 7228

              Originally posted by SILENT GUNMAN
              I think the used long gun drop off is due mostly to people not wanting to have registered rifles and shotguns. Everything they have from before 2014 is worth more than its weight in gold to them because its off the books. I know I won't be selling any of mine any time soon because if I decided to replace it I would be stick registering the new one. Not worth it to me.
              Yea that's definitely a huge part of it.

              Also there aren't many good bargain that make people want to impulse buy. I mean I'll buy a M1a if I see one for sale for $1,000

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              • #8
                crob
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 515

                I don’t think that long gun registration should have too much of an effect on hunting rifles or shotguns. Sure some folks will refuse to buy just because they don’t want the government to know what they have, but unless they have not bought a handgun recently, they are in a system somewhere. I will be honest and say it did affect my black rifle purchases, as I made it a point to get all those out of the way prior to 12/31. The real problem with the used market, particularly with gun show sales, is that it is often not a good enough deal. Unless the seller happens to be a local FFL, you will need to make arrangements to meet at one to complete the PPT. If the seller is an out of town FFL, now you have to deal with transfer fees etc… Unless a potential buyer goes to the gun show looking for a particular firearm, the chances of selling it at a show are slim. I honestly just glance over firearms at a show, I mainly go to kill time and purchase whatever happens to catch my eye. I also think that firearms sellers also need to price their items really low to compete with the cash and carry items at a show. If I walk into a show with $1,000 in my pocket and see an upper marked at $150 less than inormal price vs a rifle at the same markdown and I am in the market for both, I am going to buy the upper every time even if it a higher overall price.

                ETA- I also think the fact that the shooting culture itself has changed, and that is playing a part in those used hunting rifles sitting as well. A blued/wood Browning is not going to give as much range cred as a 'tactical' looking savage. Combine that with the fact that the Savage is often cheaper and that Browning will sit a while.
                Last edited by crob; 05-15-2014, 10:32 AM.

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                • #9
                  AceGirlsHusband
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 2651

                  Originally posted by JackRydden224
                  Yeah...people are simply out of money. The folks who bought stuff on their credit card are now trying to sell (but can't) their stuff to pay the bills...
                  I certainly hope you're right in regards to .22LR ammo. It would be lovely to see that back on the shelves again soon.

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