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  • QuarterBoreGunner
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    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 9389

    My kind of teacher!

    I suppose I understand the concern of the parents... ok maybe not completely, but it sounds like he's engaging the students and getting them involved and interested in science which is the whole point, isn't it?


    From the San Francisco Chronicle, Thursday, May 25
    Every year, physics teacher David Lapp brings his Korean War era M-1 carbine to school, fires a shot into a block of wood and instructs his students to calculate the velocity of the bullet.

    It is a popular experiment at Mill Valley's Tamalpais High School, where students are exposed to several unique stunts that Lapp performs in his five classes every year to illustrate inertia, velocity and other complex formulae.

    Turns out, it also may be illegal.

    It is a felony to bring any rifle, loaded or unloaded, onto a school campus without the written permission of the school district superintendent or his designee, according to Marin County District Attorney Ed Berberian.

    Actually firing a gun inside a classroom would, in all probability, be considered a "reckless discharge" and could bring about harsher punishment under Penal Code section 626.9, better known as the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.

    The problem of guns in schools has been a particularly emotional issue, especially since two students went on a rampage and killed 15 people at Columbine High School, in Littleton, Colo., on April 20, 1999.

    Through it all, though, the focus has always been on students with guns. Nobody expected teachers to bring firearms to school.

    "I'm hoping that this is not happening in Marin County," said Berberian, who groaned when informed that it was. "If he just did this in an open classroom with a block of wood, there could be ricochets. That in itself would be a presumption of recklessness."

    The rifle demonstration would not even be an issue if an anonymous parent had not complained.

    Lapp, a former military police officer who has been teaching for 20 years, said it is the first complaint ever lodged against the so-called "ballistic pendulum" experiment, which he contends is completely safe.

    The .30-caliber bullet, he said, is fired into a foot-long, 8-pound block of wood hanging by cords from a ceiling mount. The students take measurements of the block's movement and mass and use that information to calculate bullet speed.

    He said he fires the shot from point-blank range with all the students standing behind him, so there is no danger of an accident or ricochet. There has never been an injury or close call, he added.

    "I've been doing this for years," said Lapp, who skipped two or three years after Columbine. "The students love it. They ask about it very early on in the year. It's one of the more exciting demonstrations."

    Exciting is not the word, said Ted Feinberg, the assistant executive director for the National Association of School Psychologists.

    "It's just absolute madness, from my point of view," said Feinberg, one of the founding members of the National Emergency Assistance Team, which has responded to most of the school shootings in the country. "It is not only crazy in concept, in light of the world we live in it is absolutely irresponsible."

    Feinberg said he is shocked that a teacher would bring a gun to school in the wake of tragedies like Columbine, regardless of the educational purpose.

    "Were there not other ways of illustrating whatever physical principles he was trying to demonstrate?" Feinberg asked. "What's the message we are giving bringing a loaded gun into a public setting and firing it off. It's a terrible model to project on students."

    Lapp, who served in the Army from 1977 to 1980, became a teacher in 1986. He said he and the former Tamalpais High principal checked the legality of the experiment when he first started doing it around 1992 and determined that there were no laws against it. It has recently been done with the full written consent of Principal Chris Holleran.

    Although Bob Ferguson, the current superintendent of the Tamalpais Union High School District, was unaware of the experiment, both Lapp and Holleran said they believed the ballistic pendulum experiment was legal.

    "It is certainly something that one pauses about, but we felt that it was something that was OK because of the educational value," Holleran said. "Most students get a lot out of it. It's an interesting and dramatic example of physics in action."

    Holleran said school administrators and the district will review the legality of the experiment and immediately make changes if, in fact, what Lapp is doing is illegal.

    Unusual experiments are a hallmark of Lapp's five physics classes, two of which are honors courses. In addition to the ballistics test, Lapp also lies on a bed of nails and invites students to break a cinder block on his chest with a sledge hammer.

    "It's a demonstration of Newton's law of inertia," he said.

    In another experiment, Lapp cooks a steak in 15 seconds between two sheets of metal that are hooked up to a wall outlet.

    "If you were a senior in high school and you were wondering what the relevance of high school was, it would be much more authentic if you measured actual things, like the speed of a bullet," Lapp said. "It lends authenticity to a classroom."

    It is not clear what will happen now, but, Holleran said, if the school's approval of Lapp's experiment was a mistake, it was in an attempt to reach out in an innovative way to teenagers.

    "He's a terrific teacher who does a lot of wonderful things to bring physics to life," Holleran said. "The students really get a lot out of his class, so we provide him with a lot of latitude. We've never had complaints about (the ballistic pendulum experiment), and it has probably been done in front of 900 to 1,000 students over the years."

    E-mail Peter Fimrite at pfimrite@sfchronicle.com
    /Chris

    I have a perfect Burning Man attendance record: zero.

    You do know there are more guns in the country than there are in the city.
    Everyone and their mums is packin' round here!
    Like who?
    Farmers.
    Who else?
    Farmers' mums.
  • #2
    soopafly
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 2039

    I would just ask to observe the experiment in person. If everything looks cool, I see nothing wrong with it.
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    • #3
      Stanze
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 3301



      Maybe they'd prefer a certain DEA agent instead?
      Constitutionally, officials cannot license or register a fundamental right.

      "It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin


      "Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack." -Stanze

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      • #4
        QuarterBoreGunner
        Administrator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2005
        • 9389

        I think it interesting that (from the article) "...it has probably been done in front of 900 to 1,000 students over the years." and no one has ever had a problem with it, until "...an anonymous parent (snip) complained."

        Typical. One parent, that most likely has an innate and illogical fear of firearms, complains and this teacher's tradition of performing an great experiment will probably be shut down.

        I'm with soopafly, as long as the experiment is being performed safely (eye and ear protection for everyone, a suitable backstop) then I say it's great! Let the mystique and myths of firearms be dispelled a little bit for these kids and maybe they'll have a healthier attitude towards them.
        /Chris

        I have a perfect Burning Man attendance record: zero.

        You do know there are more guns in the country than there are in the city.
        Everyone and their mums is packin' round here!
        Like who?
        Farmers.
        Who else?
        Farmers' mums.

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        • #5
          phish
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2006
          • 3089

          I know this sucks, but they're going to eventually make him ditch that demonstration and use a typical ballistic pendulum setup used in physics labs.

          I think it would have been really cool if a chronograph were used in conjunction with the demonstration. Use the chrono's reading as the "reference" to see how close the students calculate the bullet's speed.

          I think my only concern with this setup is ventillation issues. But if it's only one round, maybe it's below any maximum exposure limits.

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          • #6
            HillBilly
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 830

            Does anyone know how one would go about contacting the teacher and the school board? I honestly loved this story. This teacher is exactly what children need today, they are a dying breed.

            When I was in school, my teachers didn't care about anything except quitting time. We read chapters posted on the board, with minimal interaction. In my opinion, almost every teacher I had failed me and the rest of the students. They failed to see that I, along with many others, were bored and lost interest in the monotonous "learning".

            Any teacher who uses any tool available to hold their students attention is a great teacher. Helping kids grasp a difficult subject in inconventional ways shows that he understands that humans learn most when they never realize they are learning.

            If more teachers were able to capture the kids imagination and interests, we wouldn't have the drop out and failure rates we do today. As long as it's safe, I say we need more stuff like this!

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            • #7
              Cardinal Sin
              Senior Member
              • May 2006
              • 897

              Thank God that there is a teacher out there that can take a dry text book lesson and apply it in a live real world experiment. Now thats a real teacher. As for the other guy saying its was bad bringing a loaded gun to school . . . well it just shows how ignorant he is of proper firearm handling and safety as well as the need to show students how textbook theory is applicable to real life scenarios.
              "Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand." -Bodie Thoene

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              • #8
                blacklisted
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 2608

                This sounds like an interesting experiment, but is this guy actually firing a gun INSIDE the classroom?

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                • #9
                  QuarterBoreGunner
                  Administrator
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 9389

                  Yup.
                  Well...upon re-reading it, I'm not sure. It may be outside the class, maybe in an open area on school property.
                  /Chris

                  I have a perfect Burning Man attendance record: zero.

                  You do know there are more guns in the country than there are in the city.
                  Everyone and their mums is packin' round here!
                  Like who?
                  Farmers.
                  Who else?
                  Farmers' mums.

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                  • #10
                    DV8
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 527

                    Shoot, I thought this thread was about that hot teacher who had sex with a 15 yrd old got acquitted then sent the sexy video to him or the teacher who was on the national bikini team...

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                    • #11
                      Cardinal Sin
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2006
                      • 897

                      Originally posted by DV8
                      Shoot, I thought this thread was about that hot teacher who had sex with a 15 yrd old got acquitted then sent the sexy video to him or the teacher who was on the national bikini team...

                      Yeah . . in that case I would DEMAND pictures of the teacher For educational purposes of course!!!
                      "Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand." -Bodie Thoene

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                      • #12
                        schizrade2
                        Member
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 352

                        Originally posted by HillBilly
                        Does anyone know how one would go about contacting the teacher and the school board? I honestly loved this story. This teacher is exactly what children need today, they are a dying breed.
                        I already did.

                        bferguson@tuhsd.marin.k12.ca.us
                        dlapp@tamdistrict.org
                        pfimrite@sfchronicle.com
                        cholleran@tamdistrict.org
                        And God said \"taketh your rifles, all of ye, all but those unto the nation of California, for exempt must their rifles be and the resth are forlorn.\" So sayth the Lord.

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                        • #13
                          HillBilly
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 830

                          Excellent. I plan on making my support of the teacher known. It has nothing to do with firearms (in fact MASSIVE support from firearms enthusiasts might freak out those involved a bit)...I just want him to know he should keep up the neat ways of teaching the students, and am proud he has the guts to go against the grain.

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