Oathkeepers

[kustomkat1950]

Oh Sh*t. We've been infiltrated....Thanks 10-22 for your personal skewed leftist view...

This post wasn't about Bundy, but about those who swore an sacred oath to the Constitution before God.

[10-22]

Then you apparently didn't look at the photos from the scene. The militia/oathkeepers were pointing guns at BLM agents. They should have been killed. I honestly don't care if a drone or a Winchester 94 is used but if you point a gun at the government, the government has a right (and a duty) to eliminate the threat you represent.

I own two firearms. Hell, I'm so liberal, I was banned from the Liberal Gun Club because they had the same reaction as you. Apparently all citizens are equal but some citizens are more equal than others. Can you imagine gay rights advocates or OWS advocates getting the same slack cut for them? I can't.

[Chapped Hide]

Then you apparently didn't look at the photos from the scene. The militia/oathkeepers were pointing guns at BLM agents. They should have been killed. I honestly don't care if a drone or a Winchester 94 is used but if you point a gun at the government, the government has a right (and a duty) to eliminate the threat you represent.

I own two firearms. Hell, I'm so liberal, I was banned from the Liberal Gun Club because they had the same reaction as you. Apparently all citizens are equal but some citizens are more equal than others. Can you imagine gay rights advocates or OWS advocates getting the same slack cut for them? I can't.

First person ever on my ignore list. Congratulations!

[barrage]

Then you apparently didn't look at the photos from the scene. The militia/oathkeepers were pointing guns at BLM agents. They should have been killed. I honestly don't care if a drone or a Winchester 94 is used but if you point a gun at the government, the government has a right (and a duty) to eliminate the threat you represent.

I own two firearms. Hell, I'm so liberal, I was banned from the Liberal Gun Club because they had the same reaction as you. Apparently all citizens are equal but some citizens are more equal than others. Can you imagine gay rights advocates or OWS advocates getting the same slack cut for them? I can't.

I always wonder what people like you are going to do if/when your benevolent government is either unwilling or unable to protect you from the consequences of your own rhetoric.

You should be careful.

[Jasonaspears]

Then you apparently didn't look at the photos from the scene. The militia/oathkeepers were pointing guns at BLM agents. They should have been killed. I honestly don't care if a drone or a Winchester 94 is used but if you point a gun at the government, the government has a right (and a duty) to eliminate the threat you represent.

I own two firearms. Hell, I'm so liberal, I was banned from the Liberal Gun Club because they had the same reaction as you. Apparently all citizens are equal but some citizens are more equal than others. Can you imagine gay rights advocates or OWS advocates getting the same slack cut for them? I can't.

Foolish

[RandyD]

Then you apparently didn't look at the photos from the scene. The militia/oathkeepers were pointing guns at BLM agents. They should have been killed. I honestly don't care if a drone or a Winchester 94 is used but if you point a gun at the government, the government has a right (and a duty) to eliminate the threat you represent.

I own two firearms. Hell, I'm so liberal, I was banned from the Liberal Gun Club because they had the same reaction as you. Apparently all citizens are equal but some citizens are more equal than others. Can you imagine gay rights advocates or OWS advocates getting the same slack cut for them? I can't.

You are very misinformed on every point in your post above. Read the Declaration of Independence. Read American history. Understand that our government derives its authority from the consent of the governed. You are so misinformed and immature that I am lead to believe you are a juvenile and have not even graduated high school. Can you prove me wrong??? Your judgment is so lacking that you should not be allowed to even possess a firearm.

[Jasonaspears]

You are very misinformed on every point in your post above. Read the Declaration of Independence. Read American history. Understand that our government derives its authority from the consent of the governed. You are so misinformed and immature that I am lead to believe you are a juvenile and have not even graduated high school. Can you prove me wrong??? Your judgment is so lacking that you should not be allowed to even possess a firearm.

If you get bored just look at the other garbage this guy "10-22" spews in his other 400 posts.

[boanerges]

Your post is the most alarming post I have read on this site.

I am not aware of any citizen pointing weapons at government employees. If you have some proof of this, I would be interested in reviewing it. It is my understanding that citizens in support of Mr. Bundy were armed, but they did nothing more than bear arms. I have seen the photo of a man armed with a rifle laying prone on the highway, pointing a weapon through an opening, but the photo does not reflect that the rifle was pointed at a government employee. Lets also put this event into context, most of the citizen protestors appeared after government employees roughed up a 50 year old lady by throwing her to the ground, pointing stun guns at and letting dogs attack the other citizens present. The only violence, at the Bundy incident, was perpetrated by government employees, and it was against American citizens.

The following comment made by you is irrational, irresponsible, and advocates murder, and it illustrates that you are emotionally unstable, "I'd have called in drone strikes and killed every last one of those domestic terrorists." America should be thankful that you were not in charge, and I hope you are not employed by any government entity in any capacity. I further hope that you do not own any firearms.

Your assertion that you would kill all of those American citizens, is a serious concern, especially since it was made well after the event, and made with the knowledge that not one government employee was threatened, assaulted or battered, and no arrests were made.

Supported Cliven Bundy. Pointed loaded weapons at Federal Officers. Violated court orders. Interfered with officials in the performance of their duties. Blocked an Interstate highway.

Yeah, and Cliven Bundy is not a racist.

So Randy, when are you going to represent Cliven Bundy in court and support his claim that he does not recognize the US government. The rest of the attorneys will try not to laugh too hard.

Seems to me that the government has the right to use force against those who take up arms against it.

[whlgun]

Yeah, and Cliven Bundy is not a racist.

So Randy, when are you going to represent Cliven Bundy in court and support his claim that he does not recognize the US government. The rest of the attorneys will try not to laugh too hard.

Seems to me that the government has the right to use force against those who take up arms against it.

What about when they used force before people at the Bundy Ranch took up arms?

[boanerges]

What about when they used force before people at the Bundy Ranch took up arms?

It doesn't work that way, champ. If somebody uses excessive force then your remedy is to go to court and try to resolve the matter peacefully. The law does not take kindly to armed rebellion.

If somebody hits you, it does not give you the right to hit him back. This is grown-up rules not playground rules.

[Chapped Hide]

It doesn't work that way, champ. If somebody uses excessive force then your remedy is to go to court and try to resolve the matter peacefully. The law does not take kindly to armed rebellion.

If somebody hits you, it does not give you the right to hit him back. This is grown-up rules not playground rules.

That's funny. Must be a blast living in your fairytale.

[boanerges]

That's funny. Must be a blast living in your fairytale.

That's how a lot of guys get convicted of Domestic Violence. Wife hits them, they hit her back. Don't believe me? Ask Randy D.

[RandyD]

Yeah, and Cliven Bundy is not a racist.

So Randy, when are you going to represent Cliven Bundy in court and support his claim that he does not recognize the US government. The rest of the attorneys will try not to laugh too hard.

Seems to me that the government has the right to use force against those who take up arms against it.

If you take the time to watch the entire video interview of Mr. Bundy, you will realize that the video was selectively edited to portrait him as a racist. The entire interview shows that Mr. Bundy is sympathetic to the plight of African Americans and Mexicans.

Your attempt to presuppose and speak on my behalf that I would represent Mr. Bundy is fictional. It is not based on any fact or statement made by me. I have been silent on my position of Mr. Bundy, because I have not read the court filings. Until someone does so, they lack a full understanding of the legal issues. Have you read the court file?

The government has the right to use force, but it also has the duty to use force only when it is appropriate. Based on what I have read, Mr. Bundy has never used any force. It was the government that staged their resources like a military operation, and it was the government that introduced snipers into the equation to resolve a civil dispute.

That's how a lot of guys get convicted of Domestic Violence. Wife hits them, they hit her back. Don't believe me? Ask Randy D.

Again, allow me to speak for myself. You do not know me. You have never met me, so I do not want you to represent my thoughts, perspectives or words.

[boanerges]

If you take the time to watch the entire video interview of Mr. Bundy, you will realize that the video was selectively edited to portrait him as a racist. The entire interview shows that Mr. Bundy is sympathetic to the plight of African Americans and Mexicans.

Your attempt to presuppose and speak on my behalf that I would represent Mr. Bundy is fictional. It is not based on any fact or statement made by me. I have been silent on my position of Mr. Bundy, because I have not read the court filings. Until someone does so, they lack a full understanding of the legal issues. Have you read the court file?

The government has the right to use force, but it also has the duty to use force only when it is appropriate. Based on what I have read, Mr. Bundy has never used any force. It was the government that staged their resources like a military operation, and it was the government that introduced snipers into the equation to resolve a civil dispute.



Again, allow me to speak for myself. You do not know me. You have never met me, so I do not want you to represent my thoughts, perspectives or words.

Yeah and the Ku Klux Klan is just a social organization for Southern Gentlemen. If you define racism narrowly enough then no one is a racist.

I never "presupposed" to speak for you. But as a lawyer how about answering the following:

What do you think of Mr. Bundy's legal position that he does not recognize the US government?

Would you ever advise your client to violate a court order?

Would you ever tell a client he was within his rights to resist by force or violence the enforcement of a court order?

If someone hits you does that give you the legal right to hit him or her back?

If law enforcement uses excessive force does that give you the right to use force up to and including lethal force in response?

Yeah. I read the government's Motion for Summary Judgement Bundy's response and the judge's order. The judge basically laughed Bundy's claim out of court.

Oh and don't play dumb with me. It is a common scenario. Wife hits husband. Husband hits back. Cops come. Husband gets arrested.

[RandyD]

Yeah and the Ku Klux Klan is just a social organization for Southern Gentlemen. If you define racism narrowly enough then no one is a racist.

I never "presupposed" to speak for you. But as a lawyer how about answering the following:

What do you think of Mr. Bundy's legal position that he does not recognize the US government?

Would you ever advise your client to violate a court order?

Would you ever tell a client he was within his rights to resist by force or violence the enforcement of a court order?

If someone hits you does that give you the legal right to hit him or her back?

If law enforcement uses excessive force does that give you the right to use force up to and including lethal force in response?

Yeah. I read the government's Motion for Summary Judgement Bundy's response and the judge's order. The judge basically laughed Bundy's claim out of court.

Oh and don't play dumb with me. It is a common scenario. Wife hits husband. Husband hits back. Cops come. Husband gets arrested.

When you learn how to properly spell judgment, then I may pay attention to your legal analysis.