C&R Questions

[Pricate]

So for those who have their C&R, have you people had inspections or visits? What are those like? When you get your bound book do you list the firearms you already have in the book or do you only list the ones you acquire with your C&R? What is the COE for? I know its a certificate of illegibility but for what? So you need to register your firearm after purchase, do they explain what you have to do? Where do you even get the paper work? Sorry for all the questions but I would like to get a head start on what is to come.
Thanks you in advance.

[SanPedroShooter]

Let me take a shot at this. Its hot and Im tired but here goes.

Some people do get visits, its very rare but it happens. They can be at your residence or at the BATFE office, I believe you can choose.

Do not list the guns you already posses. Just C&R eligible firearms you acquire while licensed. You do not 'use' the license, you 'are' licensed. If acquire get a C&R, log it in. If you dispose of one, log it out. No antiques, no modern guns.

The COE is a 'certificate of eligibility' it is a state issued extra background check bull****. You need to get fingerprinted like a common felon or child molester and pay a fine. It has some benefits in CA. You will need one to have long guns shipped to your door for instance. Their are other benefits, look them up.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/coeapp.pdf?

If you acquire a C&R long gun or hand gun outside of CA, you will have to fill out a CALDOJ form and pay a 19 dollar fine. I will get you the link, hang on.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/curioapp.pdf?

Welcome to the C&R world. Prepare your wallet

Also see the C&R forum on this site.

[Pricate]

Thank you very much. I was confused (obviously) about a few things. Thank very much for the link.

[SanPedroShooter]

I added the COE form too. I need to get mine. Check the C&R forum, that's where the real experts are.

One of the last benefits of a C&R in California is combining your Federal 03 with the states COE and having eligible long guns shipped to your door. If you acquire a C&R in the state today without a COE, you can only legally acquire it through a regulated transfer at an 01 dealer (a gun shop) The DROS process will register the gun automatically.

Don't worry about the extra forms unless you buy an eligible firearm outside of the state of California or you get your COE and have a long gun shipped to your door. All eligible C&R handguns not acquired in person outside of the state must go through an 01 dealer regardless.

Does that make any sense? Even I am confused now.

[krwada]

All eligible C&R handguns not acquired in person outside of the state must go through an 01 dealer regardless.

This ... is a very good feature of having the C&R + COE. From what I can gather, you can travel, in person, out of state; acquire or purchase a C&R eligible pistol and physically transfer it back into California.

Of course, you need to record this transfer within 30 days of crossing the border.

Except for "assault weapons" ... firearms are not registered here in California. However, ALL transfers are. In effect, registering the transfer is registering your firearm.

This is how the anti-2A get around the 2nd amendment language.

[Capybara]

Not sure if that requirement for when you must register handguns acquired out of state changed for 2014 but previously, you had to register them within five days of entering the state. Anyone know if that has changed? Or is the 30 days just for long guns acquired out of state or in state for that matter?

These laws are so confusing and inconsistent.

[sakosf]

C&R + COE = no 10 day wait for C&R long guns or C&R handguns bought from a CA gun shop/dealer

[SanPedroShooter]

Not sure if that requirement for when you must register handguns acquired out of state changed for 2014 but previously, you had to register them within five days of entering the state. Anyone know if that has changed? Or is the 30 days just for long guns acquired out of state or in state for that matter?

These laws are so confusing and inconsistent.

I am not sure how long you actually have. I used to tell people there was a two year statute of limitatons on a prosecution for failure to register, but I cant find that factoid anymore either. It used to be in the calguns wiki I think

If you want to stay within the confines of the law, best to register as soon as you bring it back.

[SanPedroShooter]

This ... is a very good feature of having the C&R + COE. From what I can gather, you can travel, in person, out of state; acquire or purchase a C&R eligible pistol and physically transfer it back into California.

Of course, you need to record this transfer within 30 days of crossing the border.

Except for "assault weapons" ... firearms are not registered here in California. However, ALL transfers are. In effect, registering the transfer is registering your firearm.

This is how the anti-2A get around the 2nd amendment language.

You can purchase C&R anything, with some exceptions 'assault weapons' etc... out side of California's borders with your 03.

The COE is only going to provide a benefit if you are physically inside California's borders. Mail order for instance.

Some of the serious out of state dealers recognize a CA COE, I imagine a lot have no idea what it is or what its for.

[chknlyps2]

This ... is a very good feature of having the C&R + COE. From what I can gather, you can travel, in person, out of state; acquire or purchase a C&R eligible pistol and physically transfer it back into California.

Of course, you need to record this transfer within 30 days of crossing the border.

Except for "assault weapons" ... firearms are not registered here in California. However, ALL transfers are. In effect, registering the transfer is registering your firearm.

This is how the anti-2A get around the 2nd amendment language.

It is 5 days.

Fom the link SanPedroShooter provided in post 2 http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/ag.../curioapp.pdf? It is on the second page.

Curio or Relic Firearm Report Submission Requirements
State law requires all California Federal Firearms Licensees (FFL) holding a type "03" license (collectors of curio or relic
firearms) who obtain curio or relic firearms while out of state, to report such purchases or acquisitions to the California
Department of Justice within five days of transporting the firearm(s) into California.

[krwada]

!@###!! CA gun laws!!!

You can purchase C&R anything, with some exceptions 'assault weapons' etc... out side of California's borders with your 03.

The COE is only going to provide a benefit if you are physically inside California's borders. Mail order for instance.

Some of the serious out of state dealers recognize a CA COE, I imagine a lot have no idea what it is or what its for.

Oh...

I thought that without that stupid COE, I could not transport said C&R firearm across the state borders. I got my C&R and COE about 9 months ago. I thought I needed them both. I thought that all those stupid CA laws pretty much made the C&R worthless without the COE.

[krwada]

Correction

It is 5 days.

Fom the link SanPedroShooter provided in post 2 http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/ag.../curioapp.pdf? It is on the second page.

Thanks for the correction.

Five days eh? That is not a whole lot of time.

OK ... I may get into trouble here ... How the heck does anybody know when one has crossed the state border? That is ... unless that information is volunteered?

[joefrank64k]

Also, the 03+COE exempts you from the 1-in-30 rule for handguns bought from a dealer...modern or C&R.

[SanPedroShooter]

Thanks for the correction.

Five days eh? That is not a whole lot of time.

OK ... I may get into trouble here ... How the heck does anybody know when one has crossed the state border? That is ... unless that information is volunteered?

Honor system my man. In a free country registration almost always relies on voluntary participation, at least at first.

In the case of Title II firearms like machine guns they tack on ten years in the federal pen for good measure.

Its hard in the USA to heavily regulate a commodity that can be bought and sold privately, which of course is all but outlawed here in every case now. The state of California is masterful at it, but they only register people that voluntarily comply at the end of the day.