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  • GunRunnerz
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    • Sep 2013
    • 216

    Gel Test Comparison - Full Metal Jacket vs Soft Point Ammunition

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    What's the difference between Soft Point and Full Metal Jacket Ammo?

    I made a simple video comparing the terminal ballistics of soft point and full metal jacket .223 ammunition. Before you check out the test keep in mind that this is a very small sample size, so take this info with a grain of salt.

    What's a Full Metal Jacket?

    A bullet that is classified as a Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) features a soft metal core, usually lead, that is encased in metal. The casing or jacket surrounds all of the core except for the base. This is one of the cheapest ways to manufacturer ammunition besides using lead cast bullets. The metal jacket has many advantages over standard cast rounds. It provides the barrel with a bit of protection from core all while increasing muzzle velocity.

    What's a Soft Point?

    A Soft Point Bullet or Jacketed Soft Point (SP or JSP) is very similar to a FMJ. The soft metal core is surrounded by a harder metal jacket. The difference between a FMJ and a SP is the tip of the projectile. A SP has no jacket protecting the tip of the core. This exposed nose is designed to force the bullet to expand, and often fragment, once it strikes soft tissue.

    Which is Better for Defensive Use?

    In this test I was hoping to get a clear cut answer to this question. I fully expected the SP to be lodged somewhere in the synthetic gelatin, and the FMJ to pass on through. Of course like any test my expectations were dead wrong.

    The SP began expanding around the two inch mark. Immediately from that point the bullet fragmented as it tore through the target. The widest diameter of the permanent cavity was roughly 1.75 inches. Dozens of fragments of the bullet remained in the gel, but surprisingly the SP penetrated the entire 16 inch block. It seems that only a small portion of the bullet over penetrated, but it was an unexpected result.

    The FMJ also gave an interesting performance. As it hit the block, we saw the standard FMJ "tumble". The projectile expanded but remained in one piece. The widest portion of its permanent cavity was measured at 1.5 inches. The FMJ was found stuck in the gelatin at the 15 inch mark.

    I think this test raises some interesting questions. What kind of ammunition do you think is best for home defense use? Do you think it is advantageous to have a rifle round that fragments as much as the SP, or would you rather use a solid FMJ?


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    More Boring test Details

    Both rounds used the same brass, Lake City, and were cut to the same length.
    They were both loaded with 24 grains of IMR 4320 and loaded with CCI Benchrest Primers.
    The projectiles were Hornady 55gr SP and FMJ.
    Fired from a DelTon Echo 316 AR-15
    Fired from the same distance of 25 meters
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  • #2
    toby
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    • Jan 2010
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    Neither AR or 223 would be my choice for home defense. Cool vid though.

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    • #3
      GunRunnerz
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      • Sep 2013
      • 216

      Originally posted by toby
      Neither AR or 223 would be my choice for home defense. Cool vid though.
      Interesting. What's your HD set up? Are you a shotgun guy?
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      • #4
        bigbearbear
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        • Jun 2011
        • 5378

        If I have to use a .223/5.56 round in a rifle to defend my home, I'll just use whatever is cheapest. It doesn't really matter at typical home defense distances. I did noticed that Winchester makes a "Razor Back XT" model of .223 round designed for hog hunting and it is a hollow point type ammo. So for hunting purposes the hollow point might be better.

        I prefer my shotgun for home defense, which I use to shoot trap almost every week. This is perhaps the single most important factor that influenced my decision to go with shotguns for me and my wife even though I was trained in the use of M16 rifles when I did my military service. If we go with a rifle or pistol, we simply won't shoot and practice as much because punching holes in paper and tin cans gets boring after a while. With the shotguns, we can shoot trap, skeet, sporting clays and 5-stand. Yes, we can shoot paper and tin cans with it too. This gives us more ways to use it for fun and practice.

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          Steve_In_29
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          • Nov 2009
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          I use 62Gr SP 5.56 in my wifes SU16CA and 154Gr SP 7.62x39 in my Saiga but both are FAR from our first choice for a HD situation.

          For HD we keep a .357Mag by the bedside and shotgun with buckshot not much further away.

          For us AK guys, there is a great video on the web somewhere comparing 123Gr FMJ, HP and SP rounds fired from an AK into ballistic gel. The difference is even more dramatic with the higher bullet weight.

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          • #6
            GunRunnerz
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            • Sep 2013
            • 216

            Originally posted by bigbearbear
            If I have to use a .223/5.56 round in a rifle to defend my home, I'll just use whatever is cheapest. It doesn't really matter at typical home defense distances. I did noticed that Winchester makes a "Razor Back XT" model of .223 round designed for hog hunting and it is a hollow point type ammo. So for hunting purposes the hollow point might be better.

            I prefer my shotgun for home defense, which I use to shoot trap almost every week. This is perhaps the single most important factor that influenced my decision to go with shotguns for me and my wife even though I was trained in the use of M16 rifles when I did my military service. If we go with a rifle or pistol, we simply won't shoot and practice as much because punching holes in paper and tin cans gets boring after a while. With the shotguns, we can shoot trap, skeet, sporting clays and 5-stand. Yes, we can shoot paper and tin cans with it too. This gives us more ways to use it for fun and practice.
            I think that's a smart decision. If you don't practice with it don't use it! I would recommend some steel targets though, they are really fun to shoot!

            Originally posted by Steve_In_29
            I use 62Gr SP 5.56 in my wifes SU16CA and 154Gr SP 7.62x39 in my Saiga but both are FAR from our first choice for a HD situation.

            For HD we keep a .357Mag by the bedside and shotgun with buckshot not much further away.

            For us AK guys, there is a great video on the web somewhere comparing 123Gr FMJ, HP and SP rounds fired from an AK into ballistic gel. The difference is even more dramatic with the higher bullet weight.
            I guess that makes sense. More weight and energy = more dramatic results. What do you have that .357 loaded with?
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            • #7
              TheExiled
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              • Jan 2012
              • 2933

              I keep mags loaded with 69gr SP or 55gr HP's handy for a HD/SD situation, but not my first choice for a confrontation inside the house.
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              • #8
                Eagle Eyes
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                • Aug 2010
                • 225

                I am wondering did you do any research on the .223/5.56 NATO rounds before doing these tests???

                I am just asking because you sounded "surprised" that the FMJ bullet tumbled when it entered the gelatin.
                Last edited by Eagle Eyes; 04-23-2014, 8:01 PM.

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                • #9
                  NapalmCheese
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                  • Feb 2011
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                  You might be surprised to test other ammo. There's more out there than just 'fmj' and 'soft point'. Even among soft point ammo, they won't all act the same.
                  Calguns.net, where everyone responding to your post is a Navy Force Delta Recon 6 Sniperator.

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                  • #10
                    GunRunnerz
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                    • Sep 2013
                    • 216

                    Originally posted by Eagle Eyes
                    I am wondering did you do any research on the .223/5.56 NATO rounds before doing these tests???

                    I am just asking because you sounded "surprised" that the FMJ bullet tumbled when it entered the gelatin.
                    I was surprised that the FMJ didn't penetrate the entire block. I expected the SP to stay inside of the block, but that made it all the way through the 16 inch gel.

                    Originally posted by NapalmCheese
                    You might be surprised to test other ammo. There's more out there than just 'fmj' and 'soft point'. Even among soft point ammo, they won't all act the same.
                    We usually test the more rare ammunition. This video was actually filmed because of a question from one of our viewers. I'm not sure if you reload, but SP and FMJ are often the same price, so they wanted a comparison to see what exactly the difference is.
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                    • #11
                      Steve_In_29
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                      • Nov 2009
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                      Originally posted by GunRunnerz
                      ........I guess that makes sense. More weight and energy = more dramatic results. What do you have that .357 loaded with?
                      158gr semi-jacketed HP

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                      • #12
                        sl0re10
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                        • Jan 2013
                        • 7242

                        was their any difference in accuracy? I've noticed SPs get chewed up a bit getting chambered (on one hand).... but on the other; if the rifle gets them spinning how much will that matter in the real world? I'd like to know but don't have any more SPs to test it.

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                        • #13
                          OldShooter32
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                          • Jan 2012
                          • 2063

                          Spitzer bullets don't "settle down" for a couple hundred yards, leading to the myth that the M16 rounds were "designed to tumble."
                          Think of the football as it leaves the QB hand wobbling, but stabilizes after some distance and flies point-on.
                          The army did tests in the 50's that showed .30 cal spitzers penetrated deeper into oak at 200 yards than they did at the muzzle.
                          I use rifles as part of my home defense plan, but live on acreage in the country. Rifle in an apartment complex is not my first choice.
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                            GunRunnerz
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                            • Sep 2013
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                            Originally posted by sl0re10
                            was their any difference in accuracy? I've noticed SPs get chewed up a bit getting chambered (on one hand).... but on the other; if the rifle gets them spinning how much will that matter in the real world? I'd like to know but don't have any more SPs to test it.

                            I've wondered the same thing. I'd imagine that the deformed tip could lead to some destabilization during flight, but I don't think I have the right set up to tackle that question just yet.

                            I'm in the process of setting up a long range rifle, but it's still a ways off. I wouldn't trust the results from semi autos just because they are inherently less accurate than bolt action rifles. I will definitely keep that idea in mind though. Great question!
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                            • #15
                              mif_slim
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                              • Apr 2008
                              • 10089

                              A deformed tip does effect the bullet but not as must as a deformed base.



                              As for penetration, load a round slower and it'll penetrate more. Load it hotter and it'll expand more. I've done Varmint grenade 36gr loaded to barely move the bolt of an AR and it penetrated deeper then a full load 55gr sp.
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