Ca resident buying in Az

[robbor]

I saw a thread recently that it is legal for Ca residents to buy long guns in Or, Az, Nv as long as they are not banned in Ca. Im wondering if anyone has actually done or tried this specifically from walmart? Also I want to say that in Az the wait is 3 days and saw some info about different wait times, so would the wait for a ca resident in Az be 3 days or the normal 10 days. It was said that if your home state was cash and carry, you could buy without waiting so im wondering if that goes the other way also?

[Vin496]

Not legal at all to cash and carry in another State, as it's against California Law.

You could buy a gun, but you would have to have it shipped to a local FFL.

The bordering States long gun puirchase only applies if it is legal in both States.

[oaklander]

Vin is correct. No can do.

It is an open question as to whether you can purchase out of state and keep the rifle out of state, instead of bringing it back over the border.

If this were possible, ONLY the laws in the purchase state would apply.

I saw a thread recently that it is legal for Ca residents to buy long guns in Or, Az, Nv as long as they are not banned in Ca. Im wondering if anyone has actually done or tried this specifically from walmart? Also I want to say that in Az the wait is 3 days and saw some info about different wait times, so would the wait for a ca resident in Az be 3 days or the normal 10 days. It was said that if your home state was cash and carry, you could buy without waiting so im wondering if that goes the other way also?

[robbor]

quick on the draw

You guys are fast, but I think missed my point. What im asking is since they seem to state that the residents wait effect delivery in other states will i have to wait the Ca 10 days or the Az 3 days??? I know i cant cash and carry.

I find this weird because my uncle move to Az about 5 years ago and after 6 months or so he tried to buy a rifle from walmart and Az would not clear or release the gun. He was actually an ffl here in Ca previous to moving. So its not like he was a felon or anything.

[WhoDat]

THE FOLLOWING IS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION...

asked about this last year, when I bought a shotgun in Louisiana. I was living between the two states - Nobody in CA had the Beretta Xtrema I wanted, my shop in Louisiana had several of them in-stock, at a big discount from here. Bought the exact config I wanted and, after a 20 minute background check, I had my gun. I was shooting with it the next day (no wait for long-guns there).

No problem buying on that end (had Louisiana address), and no problem bringing it back to CA. I even called local Cal cops about this and they said no problem (also asked me how prices were down there... a lot better than here).

Anyhow, I'm sure I had bad advice, but everyone said no problem. In my case,

Did I break the law? Hypothetically, of course???

[heycorey]

You guys are fast, but I think missed my point. What im asking is since they seem to state that the residents wait effect delivery in other states will i have to wait the Ca 10 days or the Az 3 days??? I know i cant cash and carry.

The legal transfer has to happen in CA (through a CA FFL), which means 10 days ...

[heycorey]

THE FOLLOWING IS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION...

asked about this last year, when I bought a shotgun in Louisiana. I was living between the two states - Nobody in CA had the Beretta Xtrema I wanted, my shop in Louisiana had several of them in-stock, at a big discount from here. Bought the exact config I wanted and, after a 20 minute background check, I had my gun. I was shooting with it the next day (no wait for long-guns there).

No problem buying on that end (had Louisiana address), and no problem bringing it back to CA. I even called local Cal cops about this and they said no problem (also asked me how prices were down there... a lot better than here).

Anyhow, I'm sure I had bad advice, but everyone said no problem. In my case,

Did I break the law? Hypothetically, of course???

What ID (of yours) did the Louisiana shop use to run the background check?

[WhoDat]

Hypothetically, Cal Drivers License.

They said long-guns weren't a prob, but handguns were more of an issue (i.e. waiting period).

What ID (of yours) did the Lousiana shop use to run the background check?

Unrelated, but they also have a very cool Hunting/fishing license program (Non-Resident Native)... People who were born in-state, but now live out of state can buy licenses at close to the in-state rate. I think this is to accommodate all the dislocated people after Katrina.

[heycorey]

If your hypothesis is correct, it sounds like I need a hypothetical vacation in Louisiana ... hypothetically speaking, of course.

[Librarian]

THE FOLLOWING IS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION...

asked about this last year, when I bought a shotgun in Louisiana. I was living between the two states - Nobody in CA had the Beretta Xtrema I wanted, my shop in Louisiana had several of them in-stock, at a big discount from here. Bought the exact config I wanted and, after a 20 minute background check, I had my gun. I was shooting with it the next day (no wait for long-guns there).

No problem buying on that end (had Louisiana address), and no problem bringing it back to CA. I even called local Cal cops about this and they said no problem (also asked me how prices were down there... a lot better than here).

Anyhow, I'm sure I had bad advice, but everyone said no problem. In my case,

Did I break the law? Hypothetically, of course???

Hypothetically, the shop might have broken federal law by selling to someone who did not live in the same state as the business, and hypothetically the non-licensed "I" in the story would have broken federal law by bringing the gun across state lines.

Hypothetically, each violator could be in the Federal pen for 5 years.

On the other hand, with a Louisiana address, maybe the "I" in the story was a Louisiana resident; if that had been the case, then no foul.

[WhoDat]

Hmmm.... I was under the impression that, under federal law, you can buy a shotgun or rifle at a FFL Dealer in any state. This is, of course, assuming you're following federal and state laws, where the sale was made.

I thought that handguns were the rub, and that handguns may be purchased locally, but must be shipped back to a FFL dealer in your own state, and transferred to you via your home state law.

But I could be wrong...

Hypothetically, the shop might have broken federal law by selling to someone who did not live in the same state as the business, and hypothetically the non-licensed "I" in the story would have broken federal law by bringing the gun across state lines.

Hypothetically, each violator could be in the Federal pen for 5 years.

On the other hand, with a Louisiana address, maybe the "I" in the story was a Louisiana resident; if that had been the case, then no foul.

[webster223]

Hmmm.... I was under the impression that, under federal law, you can buy a shotgun or rifle at a FFL Dealer in any state. This is, of course, assuming you're following federal and state laws, where the sale was made.

I thought that handguns were the rub, and that handguns may be purchased locally, but must be shipped back to a FFL dealer in your own state, and transferred to you via your home state law.

But I could be wrong...

Federally speaking you're GTG for long gun purchases from an out-of-state FFL, so long as you comply with the laws of both states (the state where you live and the state where the FFL is located). CA law requires CA residents to DROS and receive all firearm purchases from a CA FFL. So the hypothetical CA resident picking up a newly-purchased long gun in an Louisiana gun shop is in violation of both CA and federal law.

Now it's a completely different situation if the hypothetical purchaser is a resident of Louisiana at the time the purchase takes place. At that point the only thing that matters is the purchaser must comply with Louisiana law. If the Louisiana FFL allows the Louisiana resident (at the time) to use a CA license for ID, that's Louisiana's business. If the purchaser later takes the long gun with him to CA, that's perfectly legitimate so long as the long gun is otherwise legal to own in CA.

(None of the above is legal advice; that's just my understanding of the hypothetical residency issue.)

[robbor]

I sent an email to Ca doj

So if you bought out of state, would you have to do a PPT from your self to yourself, or is it too late once you have crossed state lines? I can see a gun shop having a brain fart about transferring from you to you. I guess its best to get an answer from doj.

[Kruzr]

So if you bought out of state, would you have to do a PPT from your self to yourself, or is it too late once you have crossed state lines? I can see a gun shop having a brain fart about transferring from you to you. I guess its best to get an answer from doj.

No, you would do an out of state transfer. You may not import the gun into the state. It would be no different than if you bought it on-line. It is shipped to a CA FFL. After it gets here you go in and do the DROS. Then, the 10 day wait starts.

No gun shop will have a brain fart, they do it all the time. You will more than likely pay a premium (more than a PPT, sometimes way more) for an out of state transfer.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

So if you bought out of state, would you have to do a PPT from your self to yourself, or is it too late once you have crossed state lines? I can see a gun shop having a brain fart about transferring from you to you. I guess its best to get an answer from doj.

When you buy out of state the out of state gunshop will ship the gun to your local FFL. You then complete a regular Dealer transfer at your local gunshop and pay any extra transfer fees that your local Dealer charges for doing out of state transfers.

You can't take possession while out of state because you are required by Federal law to comply with California laws when you buy at an out of state FFL. This means you have to complete the DROS, and the out of state FFL will not have access to the DROS system.