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  • miniprepper
    CGSSA Coordinator
    • Jul 2013
    • 118

    What is a California Legal Safe?

    I am thinking about getting a "stack-on 8 gun security cabinet" but how will I be able to determine in advance if it will be acceptable as a "safe" in California without asking the salesperson?
  • #2
    ChuckDizzle
    Banned
    • Dec 2013
    • 4398

    It has to have certain features, specs, and a number of possible combinations. The one you are looking at probably fits the bill.

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    • #3
      hermosabeach
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2009
      • 19143

      An acceptable gun safe is either one the following: A gun safe that meets all of the following standards: Shall be able to fully contain firearms and provide for their secure storage. Shall have a locking system consisting of at minimum a mechanical or electronic combination lock. The mechanical or electronic combination lock utilized by the safe shall have at least 10,000 possible combinations consisting of a minimum three numbers, letters, or symbols. The lock shall be protected by a case hardened (Rc 60+) drill resistant steel plate, or drill resistant material of equivalent strength.
      Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

      Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

      Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

      Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
      (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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      • #4
        JDay
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2008
        • 19393

        If it has an "RSC - Residential Security Container" sticker it will be acceptable for the safe affidavit so you don't have to get a cable lock with long guns. That is all having a "CA compliant" safe gets you out of.

        Originally posted by ChuckDizzle
        It has to have certain features, specs, and a number of possible combinations. The one you are looking at probably fits the bill.
        No. That is all negated by this part.

        or

        All of the following requirements:

        Is listed as an Underwriters Laboratories Residential Security Container;
        Is able to fully contain firearms;
        Provides for the secure storage of firearms.
        I would never consider a gun cabinet to be a safe. Get a real safe and bolt it down, you can pry open even the best gun cabinet in seconds using nothing more than a screw driver and a hammer to knock it between the door and the frame.
        Last edited by JDay; 03-29-2014, 10:06 PM.
        Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

        The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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        • #5
          miniprepper
          CGSSA Coordinator
          • Jul 2013
          • 118

          Thank you, good point - I will look for one with a list of features.

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          • #6
            miniprepper
            CGSSA Coordinator
            • Jul 2013
            • 118

            I printed the list form Office of the Attorney General and I will take it with me. Thank you very much.

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            • #7
              miniprepper
              CGSSA Coordinator
              • Jul 2013
              • 118

              Wow Great, good to know about the sticker too. Since I will be moving late next year from my condo into my house I am wanting something almost portable that will save me buying more locks every time I make a purchase. Big 5 has a thirty day rule so I have saved money purchasing within the 30 days and that has helped save some money and saving $10.00 each purchase will certainly pay for a Cabinet this year or next. Seems like good business to get the cabinet now and when we move into our house I can install the larger Safe. Thank you very much!
              Last edited by miniprepper; 03-30-2014, 9:59 AM.

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              • #8
                Manolito
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 2324

                Thanks for the link I always wondered what was accepted.

                Respectfully,

                Bill

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                • #9
                  Librarian
                  Admin and Poltergeist
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 44640

                  Originally posted by miniprepper
                  Wow Great, good to know about the sticker too. Since I will be moving late next year from my condo into my house I am wanting something almost portable that will save me buying more locks every time I make a purchase. Big 5 has a thirty day rule so I have saved money purchasing within the 30 days and that has helped save some money and saving $10.00 each purchase will certainly pay for a Cabinet this year or next. Seems like good business to get the cabinet now and when we move into our house I can install the larger Safe. Thank you very much!
                  The 30-day rule is California law, not a Big 5 rule.

                  See the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...es.2C_and_Laws
                  ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                  Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                  • #10
                    760knox
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 1394

                    Originally posted by Librarian
                    The 30-day rule is California law, not a Big 5 rule.

                    See the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...es.2C_and_Laws
                    YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSS...ms0ymGBQt_Jtdw

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                    • #11
                      ChuckDizzle
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2013
                      • 4398

                      Originally posted by JDay
                      If it has an "RSC - Residential Security Container" sticker it will be acceptable for the safe affidavit so you don't have to get a cable lock with long guns. That is all having a "CA compliant" safe gets you out of.



                      No. That is all negated by this part.



                      I would never consider a gun cabinet to be a safe. Get a real safe and bolt it down, you can pry open even the best gun cabinet in seconds using nothing more than a screw driver and a hammer to knock it between the door and the frame.
                      My bad, seeing the brand name for some reason made me read it as a 8-gun safe rather than cabinet.

                      I kind of miss seeing gun cabinets around. I would love to see if someone could build a safe which looks like a cabinet. I'm sure we have the tech and materials to make it happen.

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                      • #12
                        edgerly779
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 19871

                        They never ask for proof. I have been writing down that I have an approved safe for years. So Happens I have one but I never can remember the name.

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                        • #13
                          radioburning
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 4811

                          Surprised CA hasn't banned gun safes, but have them still be mandatory, yet. You know, "gun safes are only made to hold killing machines, why do you need an arsenal, something something about penises, muskets, blah blah blah..."
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                          • #14
                            miniprepper
                            CGSSA Coordinator
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 118

                            Excellent, lots of good to know things that will help all of us. Thank You

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