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  • Kourosius
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 24

    Finger on or off trigger during WW2

    Hiya, guys,

    Got a kinda arcane question here.

    During WW2, was it standard practice to have your finger on trigger or off trigger when you are holding your weapon, but not aiming at a specific target yet?

    The reason I'm asking is cuz in a lot of old pictures and footages, you see G.I.s on foot patrol with their fingers on the trigger.

    So, I'm just curious.

    Thanks.
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    cold100onhw1
    Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 108

    I don't know since I'm not a WWII vet. I would carry an m1 with my finger in the trigger guard so I could work the safety in a combat situation. Might be the wrong answer.

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    • #3
      The Wingnut
      CGN Contributor
      • Nov 2008
      • 3348

      'Trigger discipline' is a recent thing. Plenty of photos out there of G.I.s with their finger resting on the trigger.

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      • #4
        Hoshnasi
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 2515

        Originally posted by cold100onhw1
        I would carry an m1 with my finger in the trigger guard so I could work the safety in a combat situation. Might be the wrong answer.
        No practical knowledge of this either, but I'd bet you are correct.
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        • #5
          Condorguns
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          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Dec 2007
          • 3302

          Lol, I asked this same question to my Grandpa (RIP) years ago.
          It went like this.

          Me: How come in all the old pictures you guys always had your finger on the trigger.

          Grandpa: *insert your not to bright look* Cuz that's how you make the bullets come out.

          Me: didn't you worry you might shoot your buddy?

          Grandpa: we weren't that stupid, and he owed me money most of the time so I couldn't shoot him.

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          • #6
            Josh3239
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2006
            • 9189

            Originally posted by The Wingnut
            'Trigger discipline' is a recent thing.
            This. Wasn't Jeff Cooper the one who made it, or atleast made it an acceptable practice?

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            • #7
              Kourosius
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2013
              • 24

              Cool. Thank you, guys. Learn something new everyday.

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              • #8
                strongpoint
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 3115

                Originally posted by Kourosius
                in a lot of old pictures and footages, you see G.I.s on foot patrol with their fingers on the trigger.
                also not a WWII vet, but i would guess that the rules are modified somewhat in a combat zone.
                .

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                • #9
                  cmichini
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1739

                  Originally posted by strongpoint
                  also not a WWII vet, but i would guess that the rules are modified somewhat in a combat zone.
                  And if your Garand safety is working, you need some oomph to disengage the safety before you even have a prayer of discharging a round.

                  So, you have low risk of ND and high risk of needing to deploy lead pronto!!
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                  • #10
                    Mitch
                    Mostly Harmless
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6574

                    Originally posted by The Wingnut
                    'Trigger discipline' is a recent thing.
                    As is eye protection, ear protection, and Rule #2:

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                    • #11
                      Josh3239
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 9189

                      Originally posted by strongpoint
                      also not a WWII vet, but i would guess that the rules are modified somewhat in a combat zone.
                      Maybe then. My Army shooting buddy doesn't flip off the safety until he brings the rifle up to fire. As soon as he is done shooting the safety gets flipped back on.

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                      • #12
                        CrippledPidgeon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 1765

                        Originally posted by Josh3239
                        This. Wasn't Jeff Cooper the one who made it, or atleast made it an acceptable practice?
                        Jeff Cooper coined the 4 safety rules for Gunsight, so they didn't become popular until after the war.

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                        • #13
                          strongpoint
                          Veteran Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 3115

                          Originally posted by Josh3239
                          Maybe then. My Army shooting buddy doesn't flip off the safety until he brings the rifle up to fire. As soon as he is done shooting the safety gets flipped back on.

                          what is your friend shooting? note that compared to an AR or similar rifle, the safety on the garand/M14 family of rifles a) is located in a less-ergonomic position; b) requires a less-natural motion to deactivate; and c) requires significantly more force to toggle.
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                          • #14
                            JDay
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                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19393

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                            • #15
                              Plisk
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 3007

                              Research how the safety works on the M1 Garand rifle. It was intended to be carried finger on the trigger and GIs were trained to do so.
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