Backup on the move to CA

[scottyb]

I looked through all the CA gun laws and forums I could find to wrap my head around what I can and can't bring into CA when I move next month.

Other than my AR, which I have another thread on and am working through making it compliant in CA, I have the following semi auto weapons that I am pretty sure are good to go:

M1 Garand (C&R rifle from CMP, built in 1942)
Benelli Super Black Eagle 12ga.
Yugo SKS (non-detachable magazine)
Glock 23 (10 round magazine only thanks to NY)
Glock 26
Ruger LCP
HK USP Compact .45 ACP
Smith and Wesson 1911

Didn't include any bolt or pumps, since I am pretty sure those are good to go. I am just looking for some back up in case there is some buried law or regulation that I am not aware of that would prevent any of these coming with me.

I also might pick up a XDs before I leave, since they aren't available in CA.

Thanks guys, for the back up and being such an awesome resource for people coming to CA.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Is your Yugo SKS an M59 or an M59/66? The grenade launcher on the end of the M59/66 barrel is illegal in California.

[scottyb]

Damn, I must be utilizing the Calguns flow chart wrong. I thought because it wasn't on the Roberti-Roos AW list or an AR/AK and didn't have detachable magazine, the banned feature list did not apply.

[SanPedroShooter]

I went through the flow chart and I didn't see a section for 'grenade launcher' option either.

But its the law for some inexplicable reason.

12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following: 1.A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
A.A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
B.A thumbhole stock.
C.A folding or telescoping stock.
D.A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
E.A flash suppressor.
F.A forward pistol grip.


The Yugo w/ grenade launcher doesn't fall into that SB23 category, but grenade launchers are banned in general I guess.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Damn, I must be utilizing the Calguns flow chart wrong. I thought because it wasn't on the Roberti-Roos AW list or an AR/AK and didn't have detachable magazine, the banned feature list did not apply.

You were using the AW flowchart correctly. Because your Yugo SKS has a fixed magazine it can have a grenade launcher without becoming an assault weapon. But there is a separate older law that bans grenade launchers as "destructive devices".

[scottyb]

You were using the AW flowchart correctly. Because your Yugo SKS has a fixed magazine it can have a grenade launcher without becoming an assault weapon. But there is a separate older law that bans grenade launchers as "destructive devices".

^^^^This is exactly why I started this thread^^^^

I could have gotten in serious trouble. So, I take it there is no exemption for antique weapons in this law? That sucks!!!

[scottyb]

So now I have to find a way to swap the grenade launcher for a muzzle brake or flash hider. Any ideas?

[scottyb]

I went through the flow chart and I didn't see a section for 'grenade launcher' option either.

But its the law for some inexplicable reason.

12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following: 1.A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
A.A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
B.A thumbhole stock.
C.A folding or telescoping stock.
D.A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
E.A flash suppressor.
F.A forward pistol grip.


The Yugo w/ grenade launcher doesn't fall into that SB23 category, but grenade launchers are banned in general I guess.

Begs the question of why even put in this list if they are already illegal.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

So now I have to find a way to swap the grenade launcher for a muzzle brake or flash hider. Any ideas?

There are a few muzzle brakes on the market to replace the grenade launcher. Tapco makes one. Be aware that there is one guy who just drills holes in real Yugo SKS grenade launchers and then markets them as "California legal". He basically turns older style Yugo SKS grenade launchers (no holes) into the later style Yugo SKS grenade launchers (with holes).

[scottyb]

There are a few muzzle brakes on the market to replace the grenade launcher. Tapco makes one. Be aware that there is one guy who just drills holes in real Yugo SKS grenade launchers and then markets them as "California legal". He basically turns older style Yugo SKS grenade launchers (no holes) into the later style Yugo SKS grenade launchers (with holes).

Thank for the tip, starting my net search of a brake now.

[SanPedroShooter]

The 'people' that write these laws literally have no idea about what they are attempting to regulate.

That explains about 90% of California gun law.

You are looking at the legislative and legal outcome of 'guns r bad'

[The Gleam]

I read the title of this thread as: "BACK UP!! - On the move to CA".

After being here 20 years, that's my suggestion.

Oh, and you must leave all arms at home. You have no right to keep and bear arms in California - especially those arms that can launch grenades.

Remove your grenade launchers. Cut 'em off. Now.

[leok20]

These types of discussions make my head hurt.

California and the laws are so ridiculous. The lawmakers have no clue. They are career government employees with no real critical thinking abilities. Like evolution it has been washed out.


I can't wait to move out of California!!


"I said good day!"

[scottyb]

Tapco one is discontinued. Of course Yugo brakes are a PITA to find due to the Right Hand thread. Found and ordered this one.

Twisted Menace Muzzle Brake

[scottyb]

Does anybody have a copy of, or know where I can get one, the ATF letter stating that replacing the GL with a compensator or brake does not violate 922r?

I keep seeing on many forums that it exists, but have not been able to find one through google searches or forum searches.