I'm confused? 10/20 10/30 mags

[shakeyjake]

I'm still finding 10/20 and 10/30 mags on ca web sites. They say the mags are permanent but I thought that was still a nono after the first.

[dyson]

I believe the bill was addressing parts kits/conversion kits.

10/20 and 10/30s are complete 10 rd mags.

[stix213]

The law is unclear, but it clearly doesn't ban permanently modified 10/30's.

[Percenter3]

Yea, im confused about this as well.

[Merc1138]

Yea, im confused about this as well.

Confused about what? The stupid law banned piles of parts, not assembled 10/20 or 10/30 magazines.

[Teeko]

10/20 and 10/30's are still good to go

[Quiet]

CA prohibits large capacity magazines [PC 32310] and large capacity magazine conversion kits [PC 32311].

Large capacity magazines that have been permanently modified to 10 or less rounds are still legal and unaffected by the parts kits law.




Penal Code 16740
As used in this part, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

[bababoris]

CA prohibits large capacity magazines [PC 32310] and large capacity magazine conversion kits [PC 32311].

Large capacity magazines that have been permanently modified to 10 or less rounds are still legal and unaffected by the parts kits law.




Penal Code 16740
As used in this part, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

So this is helpful. Thanks. Is the law retroactive or only going forward? In other words if someone owned a parts kit before the law went into effect, are they good?

[Antagon3]

Correctamundo

[dk94044]

Also, they don't have to be pinned and welded, epoxy on the floor plate is fine were you can not slide open with finger force counts as permanent... then in the future you could always have that option to acetone free it.

[Iskra]

Some are also made with a dimple punched into the metal body to stop the follower from going down any further. 10/20's made like that are a lot easier to take out of mag pouches and to hold onto for loading/unloading, so they have uses beyond just (potentially) larger capacities in the future.

[strongpoint]

Also, they don't have to be pinned and welded, epoxy on the floor plate is fine were you can not slide open with finger force counts as permanent... then in the future you could always have that option to acetone free it.

a) there's nothing in statute or case law stating that any given method meets the definition of "permanent" more than any other.

b) so your advice is "use this method because it's permanent, and it's also totally reversible!" do i have that about right?

[SDM44]

"Permanent" can mean different things to people. IMO, unless you need special or unconventional tools to take apart a mag (drill, saw, etc), then it's permanent in my opinion.

That being said, 10/20 or 10/30 or any 10/xx mag that is "permanent" are, by today's laws, still 10 round magazines. Thus, they are still legal to use and buy/sell in CA.

[mshill]

Just call them what they are... 10 round mags. Long bodies or not they only hold 10 rounds. and are therefore legal.

[NapalmCheese]

CWDraco will be in here before too long I imagine, but, to sum up the permanent issue:

If you disassemble a 30 round mag, it's parts, not a magazine, possibly a conversion kit.
If you put a mag block in the 30 rounders body and assemble it, you are assembling a 10 round magazine.
If you disassemble that 10 round magazine, it is no longer a magazine, it is parts.
If you assemble those parts into a 30 round magazine, you are manufacturing a 'high capacity magazine'.

Permanent is not an issue of whether or not you need tools, it's an issue of existence. A 30 round mag body, with a 20 round mag block will always be a 10 round magazine, it can't be turned into a 30 round magazine without disassembling it into parts first.

Of course, you would have to do the mag blocking out of state now, or have done it previous to the parts kit law.

I am not a lawyer and this is my understanding (and opinion) of the law regarding 10/20 and 10/30 mags and the permanency thereof. Take it or leave it as you wish.